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[Uchiha Barles]

Here's the article I read awhile back concerning the satire, although it's not just in the lyrics. The video's important to it as well.

Gangnam Style satirizes a subset of korean culture.

The article mentions that the satire is indeed gentle and nowhere near as subversive as you'd expect from artists here in the states or England. At the same time though, Korea is very different and even this level of satire is something to take note of, particularly because of how popular the video's become. I remember seeing a video of Psy himself mentioning some of these points. If I can find it again I'll link it in here.

[Animeniax]

What you're missing is that the vast vast vast majority of those who made the song/video popular are not Koreans, don't care about the satire as it pertains to Korean culture, and don't know what he's singing. So in a way O'reilly and co. are right about the song's popularity being nothing more than a catchy beat and silliness in the video.

edit: If you think O'reilly and co were harsh on the original song, wait until they critique the version where Hyena sings more lines:

[Y]

Nobody pretends to be a huge bigot for a decade. They either started out or very quickly became actual bigots pretending to themselves it was all an act.

[Animeniax]

Well the conservatives have plenty of ammo to blast PSY with after a story was released that he rapped anti-American lyrics back in 2004 amid Korean anger at the US, calling for the deaths of American soldiers in Iraq after two Korean girls were killed by American soldiers in a vehicle accident. He didn't write the lyrics, just performed them with other rappers. Apparently the right wing pundits are already all over the story.

[Ryllharu]

So are they going to go after the dozens of American bands that actually wrote similar things during the Bush era?

[Animeniax]

So are they going to go after the dozens of American bands that actually wrote similar things during the Bush era?

Only if they're foreigners with a mega hit that the conservatives think is gibberish and a sign of the liberal pox that is destroying traditional America. That's the kind of double standard right wing pundits hold people to. Plenty of negative comments about PSY on his youtube video too.

[Uchiha Barles]

As complete of a reunion for Nirvana as you're going to get is happening tonight during the benefit concert for hurricane Sandy victims. Paul McCartney will be standing in for Kurt.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/...ml?no_takeover

Not sure what to expect from McCartney trying to sing angsty Cobain stuff, but its being streamed so I guess I'll get to see it.

[Ryllharu]

Not sure what to expect from McCartney trying to sing angsty Cobain stuff, but its being streamed so I guess I'll get to see it.

That's easy, expect some attention whoring. That's what McCartney does these days. He's like Bono, but less of a douchebag.

For what it's worth...

"If it was up to me, I’d get more oil tanker drivers drunk. I don’t value music much. I like the Beatles, but I hate Paul McCartney. I like Led Zeppelin, but I hate Robert Plant. I like the Who, but I hate Roger Daltrey." -Kurt Cobain

[Animeniax]

I used to think that about rock stars like Steven Tyler when he was on American Idol... why don't you just enjoy what you've done and fade away? Then I saw the Sandy benefit special where he sang "Dream On" while playing piano with Perry on guitar. Even after all these years, dude still has it, and his work entitles him to forever hold a part in the spotlight.

If McCartney is covering Cobain, I guess he gets the last laugh. And don't forget, Cobain loved Courtney Love.

[Uchiha Barles]

If McCartney is covering Cobain, I guess he gets the last laugh. And don't forget, Cobain loved Courtney Love.

lollol! *Kurt Cobain rolls in grave*, Paul McCartney say "yeah...that's right...this is happening..." The funny thing is, they were all already jamming together when McCartney finally realized he was jamming with Nirvana. I remember rumors going around that Kurt and Dave didn't like each other much, so I wonder if this means a little more than meets the eye. I for one, did not know that Kurt "hated" Paul McCartney.

edit: Clapton is ripping it up right now.

[Animeniax]

lollol! *Kurt Cobain rolls in grave*, Paul McCartney say "yeah...that's right...this is happening..." The funny thing is, they were all already jamming together when McCartney finally realized he was jamming with Nirvana. I remember rumors going around that Kurt and Dave didn't like each other much, so I wonder if this means a little more than meets the eye. I for one, did not know that Kurt "hated" Paul McCartney.

edit: Clapton is ripping it up right now.

I think Cobain pretty much hated everything, including himself. I doubt it was a personal dislike for McCartney, just what he represents, but who knows.

I'm still shocked how guys who can make great music together can hate each other so much. I guess it's like they say, the same passion you feel to make something beautiful can also make you hate more deeply.

[Kraco]

Maybe he hated somebody who could later, even temporarily, substitute him...

[Animeniax]

Cobain was a lot of things, but not prescient. From the quote, it sounds like he was a hater.

[Ryllharu]

You're reading the quote far too literally. He is listing all the bands he likes, then stating he hated their frontmen. The quote as a whole is interesting because Cobain was Nirvana's frontman.

Depending on your point of view, the Beatles either had no frontman, or they had two, Paul and John. He lists Paul, and not John, showing which one he had a huge amount of respect for. For The Who, he lists Daltry, but not Townshend, who wrote most of the songs in their heyday.

Plant, Daltry, and McCartney were always very visible parts of their bands. Lennon, not so much. Cobain himself was very reserved during interviews and the like.

[Animeniax]

Nah, I was being flippant about the quote, I'm sure there's a lot more meaning to it. The frontman of any group is usually the one to make a name for himself and move beyond the band into a solo career, as they're the voice of the band and often the one who writes the songs. If that's a reason to hate them, then it must be an artist thing. Maybe some jealously or some artistic sensibility.

[Ryllharu]

...It's kind of impressive how off-base you are.

[Animeniax]

Shrug, his reasons for hating the prominent member of great bands are his own. I'm not too concerned with it. Like I said, the guy brought Courtney Love into the spotlight. Thanks a lot, Kurt.

[Carnage]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...nnecticut?lite

[Ryllharu]

Governor and Representative of the State Police just finished a press conference.

27 Dead, 1 additional at a separate crime scene.

20 are children under 11, very likely far younger.

Absolutely sickening and heartbreaking.

Worse, I am disgusted by the national and international press. Twenty young children are dead, and they are desperately seeking any and all information about the motherfucker who did this. They're throwing out random names, but admitting they're not really sure if that is who it is. The local press has been downplaying the ID of the shooter, focusing on the tragedy itself.

It can't just be a coincidence that days before a 20-something does this, another, similarly aged psychotic asshole goes and lights up a mall on the other side of the country, which in turn was months after another 20-something psychotic asshole shot in a theater full of people. Wearing what looked like body armor (turned out not to be), wearing what looked like body armor (turned out not to be), and there are already preliminary reports that this asshole was too.

They're psychotic, and they're after the attention. The solution to this is pretty straightforward: Stop reporting who the shooter is. Period. Media blackout on the identity, backed up by severe fines. Give them a number (Suspect #M23-002), release an age and gender (or better, include it in the number), and that's it.

It shouldn't be a media circus about the perpetrator. It should be about the victims.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Governor and Representative of the State Police just finished a press conference.

27 Dead, 1 additional at a separate crime scene.

20 are children under 11, very likely far younger.

Absolutely sickening and heartbreaking.

Worse, I am disgusted by the national and international press. Twenty young children are dead, and they are desperately seeking any and all information about the motherfucker who did this. They're throwing out random names, but admitting they're not really sure if that is who it is. The local press has been downplaying the ID of the shooter, focusing on the tragedy itself.

It can't just be a coincidence that days before a 20-something does this, another, similarly aged psychotic asshole goes and lights up a mall on the other side of the country, which in turn was months after another 20-something psychotic asshole shot in a theater full of people. Wearing what looked like body armor (turned out not to be), wearing what looked like body armor (turned out not to be), and there are already preliminary reports that this asshole was too.

They're psychotic, and they're after the attention. The solution to this is pretty straightforward: Stop reporting who the shooter is. Period. Media blackout on the identity, backed up by severe fines. Give them a number (Suspect #M23-002), release an age and gender (or better, include it in the number), and that's it.

It shouldn't be a media circus about the perpetrator. It should be about the victims.

It really amazes me that we live in a supposed civilized society filled with highly educated individuals, and yet this is not common practice.

The media throws their clumsy, half-retarded weight around, bumping into walls, and knocking over everything delicate in our country.

This just shows me that there are no coincidences. Its no coincidence they continue to over-expose these scum, and its no coincidence the rate at which these tragedies seem to occur only continues to rise.