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    Quote Originally Posted by UChessmaster View Post
    Family sues a genie
    Only in... Saudi Arabia?

    Edit: Also, I don't know if you actually read your article but, uh... the old lady died as a result of the kids severly injuring her. It sounds like the old lady was in plain view, too. Of course, the power of the media makes it easy to just isolate a sentence and extrapolate a completely different tone for the article, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Assertn View Post
    Family sues a genie
    Only in... Saudi Arabia?
    If I had to guess, I'd say that the family knows pretty darn well who's harassing them, but cannot sue directly because it would constitute as dirt slinging, or might be accounted in a different trial going on between the two fractions. So, by blaming it on 'natural spirits', they publicly force the justice system to look into it, and dig out the "real" culprit, who they already know very well.

    ...to engage in risky behavior such as running across a street
    well, that sure is risky behavior, running!
    I think that the training wheels should be the key point here. the children were not professionally qualified to use and control bicycles, and they have announced it by using the training wheels. any “reasonably prudent adult,” who presumably lived in the age before cars and mass transportation , should know that children can bump into people when riding their bicycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assertn View Post
    Edit: Also, I don't know if you actually read your article but, uh... the old lady died as a result of the kids severly injuring her. It sounds like the old lady was in plain view, too. Of course, the power of the media makes it easy to just isolate a sentence and extrapolate a completely different tone for the article, doesn't it?
    That sentence was apparent, but wasn't dwelled on. Whether the lady died or not only impacts on the severity of the action and the resulting compensation, not whether or not someone is qualified to be negligible for that said action.

    To me, the problem lies with the arbitrary line of responsibility that is "4 years of age". Is there some sort of evidence to back up that line? Some study that indicates children above the age of 4 are capable of being responsible for their own actions and comprehending the consequence like and adult? At the same time, that those under this age of 4 are equally unable to do so and therefore should be exempt from responsibility or negligence?

    While the age of 18 here is still "arbitrary" to an extent, it's commonly accepted as being more reasonable. You can choose your own education. You can move out of home. You can drink. You can vote. You can marry. While there may not be any physiological evidence that behaviour over the age of 18 should be more reasonable than 17, you're expected to exercise reasonable judgement (and be accountable for it) since you're given the right to the above actions that make you a free adult.

    I really can't say the same for a kid below the age of 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    That sentence was apparent, but wasn't dwelled on. Whether the lady died or not only impacts on the severity of the action and the resulting compensation, not whether or not someone is qualified to be negligible for that said action.
    Well, maybe, but the point is that its not so strange for the position of the prosecution once you put in a little more context. People see the tagline "4 year old was negligent" and immediately default to "oh, kids will be kids" without any sort of context. Of course that context can still range from rough-housing on the monkey bars to pummeling the neighbor's cat with a baseball bat. Yes, kids do stupid things, but there should be some primitive sense of right and wrong present there, even if its not as attuned in a 4 year old as it is in an 18 year old.

    Also, in defense of the prosecution, I think the whole intention of filing a lawsuit was not necessarily to ruin these kids, but to bring attention to the situation in court and allow it to properly compensate the victims.

    @Death BOO Z: Now that you mention it, I seem to remember reading about the mud-slinging paranoia of that culture. Supposedly its not too uncommon to blame abstract things in favor of the obvious culprit.
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    People under the age of 17 can not be sued here, for better or worse.

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    How do we know the old lady was behaving properly? I have seen more elders than I care to count who seem to be dedicating all of their remaining brain capacity to taking the next step, paying no heed whatsoever to what is going on around them. They can walk right in front of a bicycle coming from the right. I can adjust my biking correctly to avoid contact with such hazardous geezers but can you expect a four years old to be capable of judging the behavior of adults?

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    Jesus Fuck Democrats are going to be slaughtered this tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnage View Post
    Jesus Fuck Democrats are going to be slaughtered this tuesday.
    Perfect, another few years of policy deadlock and 0 progress.

    It's been said before and it'll be said again... democracy doesn't work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    Perfect, another few years of policy deadlock and 0 progress.

    It's been said before and it'll be said again... democracy doesn't work.
    Democracy worked back when people who voted actually had informed opinions about the issues.
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    Democracy worked back when people who voted actually had informed opinions about the issues.
    Wait when was this?

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    It also worked when Representatives actually represented the people in the districts they ran for, rather than just worrying about getting re-elected for 3/4 of their term. Put limits on time and money spent campaigning, and maybe even reasonable term limits and the problem will fix itself.

    The founders expected a person to serve for a time and then get back to their own affairs, not make a career out of it.

    (Senators only worry about the last 1/3 of their terms, the rest they just do whatever they want no matter what they said to get elected.)

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    supposedly, back in Athens democracy, when 5000 privileged men could get together and make rousing speeches.

    of course, due to human nature, it was more like 50 trolls and 300 lurkers bashing each other and calling to pass a decision to ilegalize people they don't like.

    or something in between.

    democracy needs elected officials who know about the issues, and voters who know what the issues are and how to learn more about them.

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    People don't want to know the issues that don't effect their everyday lives. In this country at least, it seems to me that everyone *feels* so damned busy with doing as they must to pay the bills, provide for their families, or otherwise just make it to the next day. Human Nature has it that humans will look after their own interests first and foremost, and will often further it beyond "necessity" to ensure that their interests remain defended. Combine these two tidbits with the fact that there is a subset of people who make it a career to be informed in the methods of promoting their own interests in our society, and now you have the real problem.

    Need to convince everyone that reasonable term limits and an informed voting populace are necessary for the success of democracy? Then figure out how you get past the barrier of apathy caused by people's *busy* schedules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles View Post
    People don't want to know the issues that don't effect their everyday lives. In this country at least, it seems to me that everyone *feels* so damned busy with doing as they must to pay the bills, provide for their families, or otherwise just make it to the next day.
    The problem is that increasingly, especially with the current and past administration, there are a lot of laws passed that do affect people's everyday lives in rather profound ways. They're snuck in under the guise of other laws, or shoved through while the media makes a big fuss about something else stupid or minor instead of doing their own damn jobs like investigative journalism.

    Lawmakers assist this process by describing the newest law as "helpful" or "simplifying" when it typically does the exact opposite.

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    Anyone seen/been to the Rally to Restore Sanity/Fear yesterday?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_776541.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Death BOO Z View Post
    supposedly, back in Athens democracy, when 5000 privileged men could get together and make rousing speeches.

    of course, due to human nature, it was more like 50 trolls and 300 lurkers bashing each other and calling to pass a decision to ilegalize people they don't like.

    or something in between.

    democracy needs elected officials who know about the issues, and voters who know what the issues are and how to learn more about them.
    Frankly, getting the masses to 'smarten up' just isn't going to happen. Even if people become more informed, they don't automatically become less stupid. Knowledge does not equate to intelligence. So ultimately, leaving the decision of electing a leader in the hands of the masses is something that is never really going to work.

    I think what is needed is a much more rigorous and discriminating system of selecting candidates where the involvement of the masses is kept to a minimum. Every candidate must prove that they will be an excellent leader. The masses can then go ahead and vote on these candidates. They can have the satisfaction of being part of the decision making process, although at this point, any one of the candidates would be good.

    The focus on informing the public too much is a bad idea because once they understand the candidates better, they can influence the outcome of an election with their own selfish motives. Information on each candidate should be readily available, but should be something that people have to make an effort to look into themselves. Its better for stupid people who couldn't care less to make random decisions than ones with a motive. Of course, for this to work, the whole idea of campaigning and gaining popularity needs to be abolished. And at the end of the day, each of the candidates would make a good leader anyways.

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    I was there. despite my early leave, I didn't make it to the mall until around 2:30 though :\.

    still, it was cool and I'm glad I went. Seeing the mass of people with the different signs was all cool. But man.. what was the deal with that "Japan: a black hole for child abductions" group handing out fliers/waving a giant flag/ wearing (and selling?) T shirts? I got handed one of their fliers and I was like "Japan's abducted nearly 300 kids?? what the heck japan? O_O" then I remembered that OVA about the Japanese girl who gets abducted by Koreans and I thought "eh, must just be one of those things from that part of the world."

    either way, "Children go in but no child ever comes out..." is a bit dramatic D:

    Also all the b tards were pretty annoying. And a lot of the "clever" signs stopped being clever after you'd seen enough of them.. But yeah, good rally.

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    SpaceX's Falcon 9 took off with their Dragon capsule on top, orbited the Earth twice, and splashed down. Tests went pretty much flawlessly.

    Elon Musk, CTO of SpaceX, "I think it's just a testament to the incredible work of people at SpaceX," he said. "For a rocket to work and a spacecraft to work, they're both incredibly complex devices. There's so much that can go wrong... I'm sort of in semi-shock."

    They hope to have the next set of tests buzz the ISS, and then dock with it unmanned before they go for human-rated certification.

    http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/002/press/

    The pictures brought a single tear to my eye. Commercial spaceflight...hell yeah. Suck it lazy NASA contractors, your era is over.

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    http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/1...ga-ban-passes/

    Yaay, now Tokyo officially supports censorship...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xelbair View Post
    http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/1...ga-ban-passes/

    Yaay, now Tokyo officially supports censorship...
    "Holy Fuck. The Mayans got the date a little too late..." -Sankaku comment

    That sucks. How about Tokyo go and sort out REAL sex crimes, like all those assaults that happen all too often in schools and trains..

    In the meanwhile, Australia's also just declined the "R18+" game rating for now.

    Such a sad day.
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