Naruto Shippuuden Episode 13

[JaySee]

I know this may be a contentious suggestion, but if people are trying to indirectly spoil by using manga knowledge to point anime watchers in the right direction then perhaps they should be prevented from posting in this forum?

Now I can't really judge the scale of this, and I others who are anime only watchers would be in the same boat as me. But the moderators in charge of the forums who do watch the manga need to consider this.

@Manga "Prophets": People, anime watchers don't read the manga because they enjoy understanding the story through the television series. We like to speculate about it here just as you guys do in the manga forums. The difference is you guys can genuinly speculate as there is no one to spoil it for you, whilst for us there is.

Just understand one point. Anime watchers are not so stupid as not to realise that the answers to our speculations probably already exist in the manga. There is nothing clever or fantastic about you coming in to this forum and giving the answers to people who don't want to know. If we wanted to know the answer that bad we would read the manga.

So stop getting a boner over spoiling and get a life.

I said this in a much shorter form a while back. I found it odd known manga readers were "speculating" future episodes. I got a response like "We're just repeating what we thought back then in the manga or what we would've thought if we didn't know."

Confirming or denying anything as spoiler/prophecy is spoiler/prophecy in itself, nub - Assertnfailure

Did I point to anything specific? NOPE! "Nub!" It's quite obvious who the spoilers are as their so-called "prophecies" seem to continually come true. Any idiot could figure it out.

However, pointing out the anime/manga differences I think are important. As a anime-only watcher of bleach (because I think it sucks, but entertains me somewhat until Naruto comes out) and a manga reader of Naruto, a lot of things are censored and not fully explained in the Anime that should be pointed out. Censorship I can understand, but why take out details? Isn't the anime supposed to flesh out the manga? Don't they need to delay catching up to the manga as much as possible? It's especially important to point out the filler crap added in.

[XanBcoo]

Man, the tiny bit of Itachi action in this episode completely renewed my respect for the guy. All you gotta do is look at the guy, and he'll fuck your shit up without using any overt or obvious movements.

However, pointing out the anime/manga differences I think are important. As a anime-only watcher of bleach (because I think it sucks, but entertains me somewhat until Naruto comes out) and a manga reader of Naruto, a lot of things are censored and not fully explained in the Anime that should be pointed out. Censorship I can understand, but why take out details? Isn't the anime supposed to flesh out the manga? Don't they need to delay catching up to the manga as much as possible? It's especially important to point out the filler crap added in.

Totally agree with JaySee in this respect. It's not "necessary" to know how the manga did things differently, but it's definitely much more enjoyable to me having that extra knowledge.

For example, I think there was a part in the Sasuke/Naruto fight in episode 133, in which the anime left out the "shadow" of Naruto's moves that the manga had (as someone pointed out). Being aware of this gave me a much better understanding of how the sharingan worked. I don't know about everyone else, but I enjoy those little tidbits.

Also, Itachi's surprise comes from Kakashi figuring this out, since it seems like only someone who has obtained Mangekyou and felt the adverse effects would know this (or was told)

Kakashi deduces that Mangekyou Sharingan is detrimental to Itachi's sight because of how Itachi became fatigued and retreated after using it. Kakashi says this himself. It then shows Kisame saying out loud that it's dangerous for Itachi to use the Sharingan too much. I think that's how he figured it out, dudes...

[DB_Hunter]

Nope, I don't agree Kakashi figured it out by observation and by what Kisame said. Itachi's own words and reactions give it away. He acts shocked, and says "Kakashi-san, you couldn't have..." when Kakashi asks how bad his eyesight has become. This isn't consistent with Itachi's responses to Kakashi's previous deductions about the Mangekyou Sharingan. If you look at how that is shown in the anime as well, Itachi looks far more hostile towards Kakashi after that one remark than at any other time. This would seem to indicate that he is feeling threatned, or that he now knows he is in for a proper fight.

[XanBcoo]

Nope, I don't agree Kakashi figured it out by observation and by what Kisame said. Itachi's own words and reactions give it away. He acts shocked, and says "Kakashi-san, you couldn't have..." when Kakashi asks how bad his eyesight has become. This isn't consistent with Itachi's responses to Kakashi's previous deductions about the Mangekyou Sharingan. If you look at how that is shown in the anime as well, Itachi looks far more hostile towards Kakashi after that one remark than at any other time. This would seem to indicate that he is feeling threatned, or that he now knows he is in for a proper fight.

That's a huge leap in logic, even for Itachi. It's ridiculous.

*Kakashi finishes deducing how the Mangekyou Sharingan works based on evidence from past fights*
*Itachi congratulates Kakashi on his intellectual prowess*
Kakashi says: "How bad has your eyesight gotten?"
*Itachi suddenly assumes Kakashi has Mangekyou Sharingan*

Please tell me your recognize what I'm trying to say here...Viewer speculation aside, even inside the Naruto universe it's pretty illogical that Itachi would assume Kakashi had Mangekyou, just on that one seemingly irrelevant comment.

My conclusion on why Itachi was surprised is just as you said, he's realized he's been threatened because Kakashi has him figured out.

[Animeniax]

I'm disappointed at this apparent weakness with the mangekou sharingan. Itachi was a total badass with an ultimate weapon. Now we find out he has limiters and can only fire once or twice before the barrel melts. Kinda lame.

Actually the Manga is much faster. Unless you read at the kindergarten level. We're talking about a comic book here, not a novel.

Yeah, that's a quote from ATHF.

[DB_Hunter]

@XanBcoo: Because deteriorating eyesight is something only a Mangekyou user must experience. If every Sharingan user faced that problem they would be a really pathetic clan, as they would all be blind after using the Sharingan a few times!

Anyway, its never been mentioned before that normal Sharingan users have their eyes damaged which means it must be something unique to a Mangekyou user. And I doubt Kakashi just heard it from someone or read a book, as there have only been like 3 users of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Information must certainly be scarce on it.

Therefore, the only way he could possible know is if has experienced the problem himself. The ONLY way he could know this without having the Mangekyou Sharingan is if a Mangekyou user told him, which I doubt.

[animus]

Is it me, or does Itachi ALWAYS have his sharingan on. The silhouettes with them putting chakra into extracting the Bijuu from Gaara, show him with Sharingan too. Maybe, it's just like a plot device to allow people to recognize his silhouette. But, man he's got it on like all the time so he must have some insane amount of chakra.