Game: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

[NM]

Maybe it's too early to start but I thought maybe we can start getting more Wii Friend Codes on this thread since its the most popular right now. Here are the Friend Codes from Assertn's old thread:

XanBcoo - 2187 9383 9478 3722
(cmdr) Raven - 8864 1524 2978 0750
Nests - 1757 0132 8657 1690
Knives - 1946 0281 1987 1144
LaZie - 6482 6960 0909 6978
NarutoMaster - 5110 5119 4009 5539
Assertnfailure (NEW) - 6368 3519 3361 4786

Xan, maybe you should post these in your first post so its easier to find them?

[XanBcoo]

Maybe it's too early to start but I thought maybe we can start getting more Wii Friend Codes on this thread since its the most popular right now.

Xan, maybe you should post these in your first post so its easier to find them?

Yeah, I was gonna wait until the game actually came out before I added them, but I guess I can do it now too.

Though I'm a little wary, because I've heard that for the Wii's online games, the friend codes required to play with other people online are actually different from the Wii codes we've already collected. Whatever, I'll just put them up now and change them later if needed.

And yeah, I wonder if Wave Dashing will make it into Brawl, or if the developers decided to take it out. I do think it adds a lot of depth to the fighting.

[Assertn]

And yeah, I wonder if Wave Dashing will make it into Brawl, or if the developers decided to take it out. I do think it adds a lot of depth to the fighting.

No, it creates a barrier between the two groups of hardcore fans:

The kind that strengthen their skill through experience and naturally adapt their techniques to counter their friends' who are doing the same....

...and the kind that strengthen their skill through sitting in their boxers at home and waste countless hours into midair dodging into the ground and simply mimic exploits that other people have discovered.

I love the game...I've spent like, the first 3 years of its release playing against friends practically every other day....but I prefer to beat them through personal skill, rather than through devotion of more free-time.

[darkmetal505]

Just because I wavedash doesn't mean it's unbeatable. I get my ass handed to me everytime I play my friend's Samus simply because of the fact that he reads my mind like a book. Assertn, it's natural for gamers to look for exploits in the game. Look at all the fighting games with infinites and unorthodox techniques that were found by the players and probably not intended by the company. All wavedashing does is increase speed and it is definitely beatable. If you beat people through personal skill, then you should have no problem with wavedashers. The MAIN thing one had to do in Melee was L-cancel, which was not an "exploit" and was also in the original game.

[Assertn]

I don't get where you suggest its "natural" for a gamer to go google for exploits to fighting games...I've never had a friend that did that. Conversely, doing that would give me an unfair advantage, which results in my friends not wanting to play against me anymore.

Can't say that I'd blame them though.

There's nothing wrong with L-cancels, btw :P

[darkmetal505]

I don't mean people intentionally search for exploits online, but rather they experiment with the game and stumble upon some groundbreaking moves/techniques/combos. I was to lazy to figure out how to get around those crazy combos so I watched the pro videos for strategies I could emulate. Hell, I had no idea of L-cancelling or directional influence before I was introduced to the "advanced techniques." Wavedashing was just a bonus.

[eat_toast]

I had a acquaintance of mine bring up this very question a few weeks ago, after I handed his ass to him on a plate in a 1-vs-1. He claimed that my use of the move was a glitch that was unfair and that I shouldn't have used it because he didn't know it. I said that anyone who uses the move isn't any better than anyone else inherently, you get no advantage just because you can wavedash. Case-in-point, another friend of mine who cannot wavedash, try as he may, happened to overhear and challenged me. I lost, though it was close. Was the wavedashing the deciding factor in the match?

While to be sure wavedashing allows more complicated moves to be performed in sequence, as well as facilitates movement on the field, the key word is complicated. You already have to have a modicum of skill and finger speed to accomplish these things, in order to see anything come of it. You won't be seeing someone who just discovered wallteching zooming around with any sort of efficiency. If anything, they'll be the more punishable for it.

I don't know if the developers will keep wavedashing in the next game, though as a product of the physics enjine, I don't know how they can take it out and keep airdodging the same. Personally though, I don't care. While I use it, and will keep on using it, the best part of these games, at least for me, has been developing my own playing style, moveset, etc. I don't own the game, I don't own a gamecube, I play mostly weekends. So for someone to need to donate all of their time to the game, is not necessary, though it follows that they would be better than someone who does not.

On-topic edit: Final Smash item has been revealed, and the move it unlocks can only be used once..... hmmm. Looks like another reason to yell "Finish Him!"