I thought Zero WAS Payne?Originally Posted by Chaoskiddo
I thought Zero WAS Payne?
Yeah, Zero is Pein. And, since it is spelled "Pein", lets go with that. He isn't the character from Final Fantasy X-2.
I just would also like to add another possibility to disprove the "Kakashi gained MS from guilt about getting Obito killed theory". Even if Kakashi's supposed guilt resulting from killing his best friend could awaken Mangekyou, there is also the question of who is truly his best friend. We know that Kakashi honors Obito as a soldier, and respects his final gift - judging by how he relies on Sharingan, and the change in his personality and tardiness after Kakashi Gaiden. However, I'd like to point out that Kakashi never liked Obito until just before his death; so I see at least a slim possiblity that - while he certainly respects him - Kakshi never considered Obito to be his single best friend.
In other words, Kakashi may have gained Mangekyou from killing another character, or may even have found another route to discovering MS. (I know I've elaborated on this idea multiple times before, but as it is regularly ignored, I felt I should point it out again.)
In any case, we should probably drop the whole argument....it's tiresome, and has never once led to any real certainty.
Zero is the Naruto-looking dude, Pein is the female.
The guy in the background is Brian Peppers.
@Assrtn: it was the Juppongata (did I spell that right?); shishio's top ten.
I really like the idea that the hidden guy is tobi....it would be one of the best guesses I've ever heard of pertaining Naruto except that tobi's personality doesnt allow me to see him as a super-villain.
Nah Tobi won't be the mastermind....he'll be an infiltrated spy for the mastermind.
In that regard, the question would be, would Pein know about this? If he did, then that could be why he shrugged off Tobi's death, since he'd know that Tobi didn't really die. If he didn't, then maybe he truly did underestimate him.
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No, Look at the pictures... When they call for Pein, it's refering to Zero(Zero isn't his name btw.). The person in that panel has 2 fang-like marks under his lip.
@Enlighten. I agree, Sharingan seems to be the overwhelming bloodline. Also, there aren't enough "normal" ninjas who just happen to be godlike. They always happen to have some sort of mutated bloodline.
Guy is pretty decent. Jiraya is supposed to be "godlike", and he doesn't seem to have a bloodline. Sasori didn't have a bloodline or mutation - unless you count the fact that he put himself through intensive puppet body surgery. But for the most part, yeah - the powerful guys are freaks.
That's exactly what I was implying.
More speculation...
Pein, female Akatsuki, and the mysterious figure know something that none of the rest of Akatsuki knows.
The whole war/economic monopoly reason Pein gave for the existence of Akatsuki is a ruse to manipulate Akatsuki to capture all the bijuu and they will do it because they think each of them gets to be the next jinchuuriki for their respective bijuu.
Capturing the all the bijuu serves as a goal for an unrevealed plan of epic proportions known amongst the suspicious 3.
Either Sharingan, or Sasuke w/ his Sharingan, is another thing to capture in the same vein of capturing all the bijuu. I'm thinking that's actually the most important thing above the bijuu except possibly Kyubi.
I want to say that ultimately this manga has always came down to Kyubi and Sharingan as the 2 most powerful forces/entities in the Naruto universe. But I have to admit my opinion is biased because of the Uchiha/Tengu theory. But the mysterious 3 seem to want (Sasuke's) Sharingan which ups the importance of Sharingan in the story moreso than ever before.
Itachi knows more than any other Akatsuki (besides the 3) and he is a wildcard in all this.
it was never once mention that jiraya is supposed to be godlike... we never really seen jiraya fight, he is powerful i mean he was the teacher of the 4th and his reputation is unfamiable ... if your talking about the 3 Sennin fight then its really invalid becuase if i recall Orochimaru was holding down his ground but retreated yes if you may say... Jiraya won that little scruffle but orochimaru fought with both his arms damage so? ???if he is so powerful and godlike??? how did Itachi then break thru his swamp toad looking justus with there first encounter??? and guy is not really decent in lata episodes becuase kisame had fought him at there second encounter and guy nearly lost his life resorting to using the "gates" but the funny thing is his charka level was at 30% and it wasn't even really him lol so you do math
and yes as i still stand i will still say the Sharingan is over whelming the series and they and Kishimoto needs to stop dwelling on the eyes there is more to naruto than itachi and sasuke um let me think??? how about naruto it is his show ....sasori was raw but he wasn't really human only his heart....and most of the Akatsuki members are basicly super humans ordinary hard working ninjas seems not to exist any more if you don't have a special abilitie or don't have a demon it seems that your out the game.... im jus sayin thats how it looks and you know its tru
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