PS3

[darkshadow]

the wireless controller is in the 400$ pack, you btw dont NEED the HDD for a storage device, there are mem cards available too, but then you would miss out on demo's.
And yes if you purchase all the things the then pricing would be more or less the same, but what is unfair about sony's statement, is that MS at least gives you a choice, cause you might need all the extra equipment, but i, for instance, don't im fine with my 400€ ( yes euro even), system and 12 monthly xblive.

This is also why im getting hte 500€ ps3 and not the 600€ system, i have no need for wi-fi at all, i wouldnt need the blu-ray player either, but sony is forcing me to go with that >_>.

But yeah, they really need to cut down on the price of that adaptor, the price is way too high.

And lets be reasonable, MMO's will always have an subscription fee ( with some exceptions here and there like guild wars ), the 4$ a month is just paying for the smooth xblive multiplayer service itself, i don't think MS can go around the subscription fees for MMO's.