I don't think he's a villain

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

I am going to say that he is a villian. He did kill everyone in his village. The main qualification for any villian is being harmful to innocent people. -dg-

[February]

I am going to say that he is a villian. He did kill everyone in his village. The main qualification for any villian is being harmful to innocent people. -dg-

The thread starter also talked about this. A possible theory is that it wasn't Itachi who killed the village members but someone else, but made it to look like he did.

[Super5]

@Assertn: I disagree that he could have killed the Konoha jounin if he wanted to, in the time he had. It was 3 on 2 (and they had Kakashi on their side, who's no slouch). He probably would have eventually killed the jounin if more hadn't kept arriving, but these things take time and Itachi was out of time. It still looks to me like he was trying his best to kill them, but they got lucky a couple of times and survived until reinforcements could arrive.

I don't think he was trying to kill Sasuke. Sasuke is evidently the one person he doesn't want to kill until he's at Itachi's level. So he keeps challenging and humiliating Sasuke until he gets better.

Actually, Tobi didn't run away. In the rare instances we saw him, he actually seemed to be pulling his weight. He claimed to have defeated the 3-tails, but Deidara was skeptical. Without seeing the actual battle, we can't be sure how much he did. He let Deidara fight Sasuke, but he didn't run away and actually helped in the battle when Deidara asked. He didn't come off as a coward to me, just someone who is one of the many underdeveloped characters in Naruto.

[Assertn]

@Assertn: I disagree that he could have killed the Konoha jounin if he wanted to, in the time he had. It was 3 on 2 (and they had Kakashi on their side, who's no slouch). He probably would have eventually killed the jounin if more hadn't kept arriving, but these things take time and Itachi was out of time. It still looks to me like he was trying his best to kill them, but they got lucky a couple of times and survived until reinforcements could arrive.

What? You mean Gai? So you're saying Gai alone was enough to stop Itachi, despite Itachi having been strong enough years ago to wipe out every single Uchiha. We already know how Gai pans out against Kisame...and that was when it was 4v1 against 1/3 of Kisame's strength. Kakashi was incapacitated, and Asuma and Kurenai would've been worthless against MS.

Also, did you notice that Itachi did not actually take an aggressive stance at all during that entire encounter?

[SilentSnake]

Also, did you notice that Itachi did not actually take an aggressive stance at all during that entire encounter?

Before the fight:
Didn't Itachi say something along the line "we have no quarrel with you" but Kurenai and Asuma didn't want to let him and Kisame go?

[Super5]

What? You mean Gai? So you're saying Gai alone was enough to stop Itachi, despite Itachi having been strong enough years ago to wipe out every single Uchiha. We already know how Gai pans out against Kisame...and that was when it was 4v1 against 1/3 of Kisame's strength. Kakashi was incapacitated, and Asuma and Kurenai would've been worthless against MS.

Also, did you notice that Itachi did not actually take an aggressive stance at all during that entire encounter?

Gai is an elite jounin (he beat the 30% Kisame clone after all) so I don't know why you're hating on him. It was basically 1 on 1 in his fight with Kisame, since his entire team was incapacitated. I think he would have had an even chance against Kisame, even at full strength. He presented a formidable challenge to the Akatsuki group and Itachi knew it. Which is one of the reasons why Itachi retreated after he joined the fight (the other being the reinforcements that were coming).

He did attack Kakashi with the water technique right after Kakashi joined the fight. That seemed pretty aggressive to me; he could have just stood there waiting to counter their next move. If Itachi really wanted to avoid their fight, he and Kisame could have just run away right at the beginning. They did it easily enough later. My guess is that Asuma and Kurenai pissed him off, and he was going to kill them for interfering with him. I still maintain that Itachi is absolutely evil, but we'll see.

[February]

Gai is an elite jounin (he beat the 30% Kisame clone after all) so I don't know why you're hating on him. It was basically 1 on 1 in his fight with Kisame, since his entire team was incapacitated. I think he would have had an even chance against Kisame, even at full strength. He presented a formidable challenge to the Akatsuki group and Itachi knew it. Which is one of the reasons why Itachi retreated after he joined the fight (the other being the reinforcements that were coming).

He did attack Kakashi with the water technique right after Kakashi joined the fight. That seemed pretty aggressive to me; he could have just stood there waiting to counter their next move. If Itachi really wanted to avoid their fight, he and Kisame could have just run away right at the beginning. They did it easily enough later. My guess is that Asuma and Kurenai pissed him off, and he was going to kill them for interfering with him. I still maintain that Itachi is absolutely evil, but we'll see.

Whats the use of running if they are going to keep chasing you anyway?


I think Itachi retreated that time because:
1) He just used the MS, so he wasnt fully 100% anymore
2) He did not want to create a scene, being a former Konoha ninja, he must have known that eventually the ANBU and other skilled ninjas apart from Gai / Kakashi team will join the fight.


I really doubt that Gai could have taken on Itachi but we havent seen much from both of them so I'll keep my opinion to myself

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

Gai is an elite jounin (he beat the 30% Kisame clone after all) so I don't know why you're hating on him. It was basically 1 on 1 in his fight with Kisame, since his entire team was incapacitated. I think he would have had an even chance against Kisame, even at full strength. He presented a formidable challenge to the Akatsuki group and Itachi knew it. Which is one of the reasons why Itachi retreated after he joined the fight (the other being the reinforcements that were coming).

He did attack Kakashi with the water technique right after Kakashi joined the fight. That seemed pretty aggressive to me; he could have just stood there waiting to counter their next move. If Itachi really wanted to avoid their fight, he and Kisame could have just run away right at the beginning. They did it easily enough later. My guess is that Asuma and Kurenai pissed him off, and he was going to kill them for interfering with him. I still maintain that Itachi is absolutely evil, but we'll see.

I dont know, Gai did have to unlock what was it 6 gates just to take out a 30% clone? That is alot of effort. I dont know if he could have taken someone with that much Chakra like Kisame one on one. As for Itachi, he only decided to leave when Gai showed up because it was then 4 against 2 and Itachi had just used the MS, so he was tapped.

If Itachi isnt a villian, I dont know who is! -dg-

[masamuneehs]

i so thought this was going to be a thread on whether or not Sasuke is a villain, but...

The OP theory... just seems crazy! An imposter Itachi, yet Itachi acting under super mysterious orders to keep Sasuke thinking it was him... Sorry, I just don't buy it.

The guy's motivation for keeping Sasuke alive aren't clear, but him suggesting that Sasuke kill his best friend, plus the fact that Itachi apparently did this, then killed his parents and clan, and the fact that he's a key member in a group aiming for World Domination Mwahahaha! TM. suggests, somewhat strongly, that he is perhaps one of the worst villains in all of Naruto.

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

The thread starter also talked about this. A possible theory is that it wasn't Itachi who killed the village members but someone else, but made it to look like he did.

I dont think that anyone else did it. Itachi showed Sasuke how it was done. And at that stage of the MS I dont think that he could do more than just recreate the past, seems that making a new storyline while using the MS would be more advanced. But that could be wrong, who knows, all I know is that he is a villian and when the time comes if Sasukes doesnt kill him due to some new revelation about his past, I will be pissed! -dg-