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    There. You have irc again. Dunno why the server got rebooted, but I'm gonna blame Ciber...

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    Let's turn this thread into the new IRC.
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    Good God woman, how slow are you that you ban me for what i said a whole day earlier? Were you processing the insults?

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    topic: [Arcness1] changes topic to 1[Welcome to #Gotwoot | New Rule: Sort out your own problems; if that doesnt work ignore each other; if that doesnt work both parties are banned for an increasing amount of time.

    Arcness:who ever wants to fuck with this colouring can
    Arcness:anyways no fucking rule, see topic
    Arcness:ark can stay banned for now but at tomorrow he will be unbanned
    Arcness:so new rule starting tomorrow
    Arcness:End of discussion

    ^ happened while I was asleep, but there you have it.

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    I know, i was PMing everyone. Pretty much the same shit only i don't get DS being bitchy at random intervals.

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    Naruto spoilers
    [00:08] <&Y> so uh
    [00:08] <&Y> that Naruto chapter
    [00:08] <&Y> did we really need like 5 fucking time loop diagrams?
    [00:08] <&DS> http://bit.ly/9UAFUa
    [00:09] <&DS> yes, because kids are stupid
    [00:09] <&Y> that just confused the situation more
    [00:10] <&Y> i think it's kinda interesting that it was developed as a teaching tool and not an attack, which explains why it sucks so bad
    [00:10] <&DS> lol
    [00:10] <&Y> also uh... is Itachi trying to fucking friendship jutsu Kabuto?
    [00:10] <&DS> I don't think so
    [00:10] <&Y> he's trying to make him a better person
    [00:10] <&DS> I think what's going on in izanami is just an automatic thing
    [00:11] <&DS> itachi said he's about to stop edo tensei now
    [00:11] <&Y> either that or Itachi is so fucking smug he wants to make sure Kabuto realizes how wrong he was before he loses
    [00:11] <&DS> if kabuto friendships then he breaks free
    [00:11] <&DS> and itachi fails
    [00:11] <%Ryllharu> Wasn't kabuto dead?
    [00:11] <&DS> no?
    [00:11] <&Y> the only way he can break out is if he gets friendshipped
    [00:11] <&DS> that's what I said..
    [00:11] <&Y> so he'll probably be like bluh bluh a bloo bloo i regret everything
    [00:11] <&Y> and turn it off himself
    [00:11] <%Ryllharu> oh, I thought you two discussed his off-frame death before or something
    [00:11] <&DS> but he can't break free
    [00:11] <&DS> otherwise itachi fails
    [00:12] <&Y> nah
    [00:12] <&Y> if he breaks free it's because he now agrees with Itachi
    [00:12] <&Y> so he wins either way
    [00:12] <&DS> I don't think so
    [00:12] <&Y> the only way for him to escape is if he stops trying to jock orochimaru's legacy
    [00:12] <&DS> especially because itachi said he'd stop edo tensei now, while the entire exchange inside kabuto's head was already underway
    [00:12] <&Y> lol well
    [00:12] <&Y> who can compare the timelines of a fake time trap jutsu
    [00:12] <&Y> with the real world
    [00:13] <&Y> maybe the loop has already happened a shitload of times
    [00:13] <&DS> exactly
    [00:13] <&DS> kabuto should have ample time already to break free
    [00:13] <&DS> if itachi was already truly coercing him
    [00:13] <&DS> but he isn't
    [00:13] <&DS> it seems like an automatic thing
    [00:14] <&Y> he can't break free because the whole point is breaking free would mean abandoning his goals anyway
    [00:14] <&Y> and not trying to become like orochimaru or someone else to escape his identity issues
    [00:14] <%Ryllharu> <3 Valmet is soooooo cool. <3
    [00:14] <&Y> i don't think he would actually become a good guy, because seriously fuck that, but he might be shaken in his convictions or whatever
    [00:15] <&Y> and realize that he needs to stop Tobi as well before he mind controls the entire planet
    [00:15] <&DS> yes, but unless he -does- become a good guy, he isn't going to dispell edo tensei just like that
    [00:15] <&Y> he might turn the resurrected guys on Tobi
    [00:15] <&DS> oh well...oro was oro and I'm me, time to stop the war I guess..
    [00:15] <&Y> or just turn them off
    [00:15] <&DS> if kishi does that
    [00:15] <&Y> well it's more like
    [00:15] <&DS> it's worse than bleach
    [00:15] <&DS> seriously
    [00:15] <&Y> "what am I accomplishing here exactly"
    [00:15] <&Y> what is he supposed to do if, let's say, the undead Madara kills everyone?
    [00:15] <&Y> pat himself on the back and then get mind controlled by the moon eye plan?
    [00:16] <&DS> not really
    [00:16] <&Y> it seems like regardless of whether he gets friendshipped
    [00:16] <&DS> he has madarazombie which madaratobi was shocked by seeing
    [00:16] <&Y> he is going to have to stop tobi himself soon, if he's not taken out of the picture
    [00:17] <&DS> I'm sure he could just crap all over madaratobi if everyone else was dead
    [00:17] <&Y> i'm not
    [00:17] <&Y> tobi has pretty much unlimited random cheating powers atm
    [00:17] <&DS> madarazombie is clearly stronger than tobi
    [00:17] <&Y> disagree
    [00:18] <&DS> why
    [00:18] <&Y> there's really no way to quantify either of their powers since they both have the same power: whatever the fuck the plot demands
    [00:18] <&Y> tobi's ceramic mask or whatever didn't crack when ssj naruto headbutted him so apparently even his fucking mask has super powers
    01[00:19] <Arkangel> This naruto chapter was a bunch of hogwash
    [00:19] <&DS> and madara brought down 2 meteors from the sky like it was nothing
    [00:19] <&Y> tobi has the rinnengan atm
    [00:19] <&DS> and is currently playing aroudn with the 5 kage
    [00:19] <&Y> i'm absolutely certain tobi could play around with them the same way
    [00:19] <&Y> he is kind of invincible after all
    [00:19] <&DS> I disagree
    01[00:19] <Arkangel> Other than being afraid of naruto
    01[00:19] <Arkangel> Oh no wait, it was the rain
    [00:19] <&Y> well
    [00:19] <&DS> he can phase out but he needs to become soild to attack again
    01[00:19] <Arkangel> Riiiight
    [00:20] <&Y> obv he should fear the main character
    [00:20] <&DS> and the 4th shitted all over tobi
    [00:20] <&Y> since there is a 100% chance he will lose
    01[00:20] <Arkangel> Not shitted...
    01[00:20] <Arkangel> But he did win
    [00:20] <&DS> no way in hell is the 4th stronger than the 5 kage + madara + the 1st
    [00:20] <&Y> 4th wasn't "stronger", that wasn't what let him harm tobi
    [00:20] <&Y> it was the fact that he could teleport on top of him as he materialized, which no one else can do (except probably Naruto soon)
    01[00:20] <Arkangel> What i'd really like to see is Itachi vs Madara
    01[00:21] <Arkangel> Itachi is fucking broken
    [00:21] <&Y> itachi always wins
    [00:21] <&Y> even getting murdered by sasuke actually counts as a win since that was his desired outcome for the fight
    [00:21] <&DS> I don't see how that would be a problem for the 5 kage, raikage is pretty disgustingly fast too
    [00:21] <&Y> yeah but he can't literally teleport
    01[00:21] <Arkangel> Not even murdered, he died more or less on his own
    01[00:22] <Arkangel> His body couldn't handle the awesome
    [00:22] <&Y> madara is pretty cheatyface though since he can shit out infinite rinnengan abilities which presumably tobi can't do
    [00:22] <&DS> madarazombie
    [00:22] <&Y> tobi would probably just possess him since he is a ghost
    [00:22] <&DS> can do anything
    [00:22] <&DS> he wants
    [00:22] <&Y> bwahaha
    [00:22] <&DS> he's pretty much omnipotent
    01[00:22] <Arkangel> So can Itchizombie
    01[00:23] <Arkangel> I don't know how Itachi hasn't gotten the rinnegan yet
    01[00:23] <Arkangel> He fucking knows everything
    [00:23] <&Y> when madara was rezzed, he was shocked and hadn't planned for it
    [00:23] <&DS> because he's isn't special
    [00:23] <&DS> he's just a normal uchiha
    [00:23] <&Y> when itachi got rezzed he had a fucking secret backup plan
    [00:23] <&DS> a fuckig strong one
    [00:23] <&Y> not for him specifically but still
    01[00:23] <Arkangel> He's nothing but normal
    [00:23] <&Y> that's the difference
    [00:23] <&DS> he is arch
    01[00:23] <Arkangel> First Uchiha of his generation to awaken the MS
    [00:23] <&Y> madara could summon 100 susanoos or whatever
    [00:23] <&Y> and itachi would just be like "all part of the plan"
    01[00:23] <Arkangel> Knows all the phorbidden techniques
    01[00:24] <Arkangel> f*
    [00:24] <&DS> yeah he's just strong
    [00:24] <%Ryllharu> God damn Valmet is cool.
    [00:24] <&DS> he's not a special uchiha
    [00:24] <&Y> also pretty big plothole in this issue
    [00:24] <&DS> sasuke is more spcial since he knows the blaze element
    01[00:24] <Arkangel> Well... what's a special uchiha then?
    [00:24] <&DS> which is ANOTHER bloodlinelimit
    01[00:24] <Arkangel> <&DS> sasuke is more spcial
    [00:24] <&Y> izanami was developed to stop people fucking around with izanagi right
    01[00:24] <Arkangel> Hahahaha
    01[00:24] <Arkangel> Flashback
    [00:24] <&Y> but... why is that necessary?
    01[00:24] <Arkangel> I'm more special than you!
    [00:24] <&Y> you can use izanagi, at most, twice
    [00:25] <&DS> because Izanagi made shit convoluted Y
    [00:25] <&Y> so there can't exactly be people fighting over whose izanagi wins
    [00:25] <&Y> you've only got two fucking uses
    01[00:25] <Arkangel> Man... naruto should have ended in the valley of the end battle
    01[00:25] <Arkangel> Sasuke killed naruto
    [00:25] <%Ryllharu> shit, quit talking about naruto, and watch jormugand.
    01[00:25] <Arkangel> Then we get a prologue of grownup sasuke face to face with itachi
    01[00:25] <Arkangel> The end
    [00:25] <&Y> yeah, great ending
    [00:25] <&DS> I think it's just general hubris Y
    [00:25] <&DS> plus
    01[00:25] <Arkangel> No zombie bulshit
    [00:25] <&Y> the main character gets murdered and the plot isn't resolved
    [00:25] <&Y> would def have loved that
    [00:25] <&DS> who says those uchiha weren't harvesting eyes either?
    [00:26] <&DS> for izanagi
    01[00:26] <Arkangel> What plot isn't resolved? All plot points were done by that point
    01[00:26] <Arkangel> Part 2 just added new ones
    01[00:26] <Arkangel> Crappy ones
    [00:26] <&DS> there was nothing resolved arch
    [00:26] <&DS> absolutely zero
    [00:27] <&Y> well DS
    [00:27] <&Y> Danzou had the entire murdered uchiha clan to play with
    [00:27] <&DS> for one we still hjad to wonder why itachi had eyecancer
    [00:27] <&DS> etc..
    [00:27] <&Y> unless there were like, dozens of people who had all the supposedly rare and forbidden techniques
    [00:27] <&Y> theres no way anyone could have been spamming izanagi
    [00:27] <&DS> no I mean, uchiha raiding dead uchiha bodies for their eyes
    [00:27] <&DS> I'm sure plenty of uchiha died in the past
    [00:27] <&Y> and doesn't that kind of fix itself since the guys fighting over it are gonna run out of eyes?
    [00:28] <&Y> its not like you can have 100 eyes...
    [00:28] <&Y> DS yeah but how many dead uchihas had unlocked ms and izanagi?
    [00:28] <&DS> argus disagrees ;P
    [00:28] <&Y> thousands?
    [00:28] <&DS> is izanagi a special unlock?
    [00:28] <&DS> or just something the all have access too?
    [00:28] <&Y> i'm pretty sure not every uchiha can just randomly rewrite time
    [00:29] <&DS> I don't recall the danzou eyes to be MS ones
    [00:29] <&DS> http://images.wikia.com/marveldataba...rth-616%29.jpg
    [00:29] <&DS> uchiha
    [00:29] <&DS> ;P
    [00:30] <&Y> I guess any eye can get sacced to Izanagi
    [00:30] <&Y> but hell, not even every uchiha unlocked the sharingan period
    [00:30] <&Y> most of them didn't have it
    [00:31] <&DS> hmm, in the madara vs hirashima animated fight I think all of them had it
    [00:31] <&DS> but I guess in peace times they didn't activate
    [00:32] <&Y> i'm sure a lot of their fighters had it
    [00:32] <&Y> but there can't have been hundreds of spare sharingans... even madara only had a few dozen
    [00:32] <&DS> prolly not
    [00:32] <&Y> and again it doesn't matter since they would just run out of sharingans
    [00:33] <&DS> but I guess they didn't want to have psycho uchiha running around jack the ripper style killing everyone for eyes
    [00:33] <&Y> eventually, pretty soon if it was 2 guys just doing izanagi at each other
    [00:33] <&DS> but again it just exist because izanagi just made everything too convoluted
    [00:33] <&DS> it's fucking absurd they just invented izanami
    01[00:34] <Arkangel> I hate izanagi
    01[00:34] <Arkangel> It's literally deus ex machina
    [00:34] <&Y> it's fine as long as it doesn't actually reverse time
    [00:34] <&Y> and is just a subtle genjutsu
    [00:34] <&Y> just like izanami doesn't actually trap someone in a time loop
    [00:35] <&Y> again all these special techniques are just "genjutsu that actually works"
    [00:35] <&DS> it's dumb
    [00:35] <&Y> izanami, izanagi, tsukiyomi are all basically the same thing
    [00:35] <&DS> izanagi should've never existed as a sharingan ability
    [00:36] <&Y> also again
    01[00:36] <Arkangel> No Y, the point here is that even tsukiyomi required eye contact
    [00:36] <&Y> who cares
    01[00:36] <Arkangel> There need to be boundaries to this bulshit
    [00:36] <&Y> not even regular basic genjutsus require that
    01[00:36] <Arkangel> Not just, i sacrifice an eye so X happens
    [00:36] <&DS> I'd say
    [00:36] <&Y> kabuto knocked everyone out at the chuunin exam just by dropping feathers down into the crowd
    01[00:36] <Arkangel> Yes but tsukiyomi is instantaneous
    [00:36] <&Y> no eye contact needed
    [00:36] <&DS> tsukiyomi is 2985792348578x better than either izanagi or izanami
    [00:36] <&Y> hell
    [00:37] <&DS> it's a completely broken genjutsu
    [00:37] <&Y> kabuto just used a genjutsu that requires no eye contact to fuck with them through susanoo
    01[00:37] <Arkangel> It still pretty much fucks one eye up DS
    [00:37] <&DS> it just gives it eye cancer
    [00:37] <&Y> tsukiyomi isn't that good
    [00:37] <&DS> so you can still use it
    01[00:37] <Arkangel> But it wasn't instantaneous Y
    [00:37] <&Y> it just has a lot of hype
    01[00:37] <Arkangel> Proof, they were able to counter it
    [00:37] <&Y> what do you mean
    01[00:37] <Arkangel> The point with tsukiyomi is that if it hits you're fucked... unless you're sasuke
    [00:38] <&Y> or Danzou
    [00:38] <&Y> or Kakashi
    [00:38] <&Y> or anyone else it's ever been used on
    01[00:38] <Arkangel> Kakashi was fucked
    [00:38] <&DS> tsukiyomi raped kakashi
    01[00:38] <Arkangel> So hard
    01[00:38] <Arkangel> And Danzou used the very same jutsu i'm bitching about now
    [00:38] <&DS> it didn't work on sasuke cause of deus ex machina him having MS too
    [00:38] <&Y> he didn't have MS at the time
    01[00:38] <Arkangel> Wut?
    01[00:38] <Arkangel> He didn't
    [00:38] <&Y> he just had a regular sharingan
    [00:39] <&DS> then kishi is a retar
    [00:39] <&DS> d
    01[00:39] <Arkangel> The only explanation that makes sense is that Itachi didn't want it to work
    [00:39] <&Y> tsukiyomi, just like every other genjutsu, is exactly as strong as the plot requires
    [00:39] <&Y> ofc
    [00:39] <&Y> just like he didn't want it to kill Kakashi, only incapacitate him
    01[00:39] <Arkangel> I don't think tsukiyomi can kill anyway
    [00:39] <&Y> but ANY ILLUSION should be able to incapacitate someone, unless someone else breaks them out of it
    01[00:39] <Arkangel> It can fucking cripple you to the point anyone else can kill you though
    01[00:40] <Arkangel> Again Y, the point here is that other illusions are known and counterable
    01[00:40] <Arkangel> Tsukiyomi just need a fucking wink of the eyes
    01[00:40] <Arkangel> And bam you're a useless bag of bones
    [00:40] <&Y> who cares
    01[00:40] <Arkangel> Kakashi cared
    01[00:40] <Arkangel> While he was being raped for X years
    [00:41] <&Y> kabuto incapacitated thousands of people at once with feathers, no eye contact required
    01[00:41] <Arkangel> Just normals
    [00:41] <&Y> so how is tsukiyomi so great
    01[00:41] <Arkangel> Fucfk normals

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    Naruto spoilers more
    [00:42] <&Y> also lol DS
    01[00:42] <Arkangel> Yeah that
    [00:42] <&DS> when itachi raped her tree thing
    [00:42] <&Y> I think the opponent has to actually see itachi's eyes
    [00:42] <&Y> not just him looking into their eyes
    [00:42] <&DS> yeah I know
    [00:42] <&DS> would be hilarious though
    [00:42] <&Y> so
    [00:42] <%Xelbair> that's why mirrors
    [00:42] <%Xelbair> like code geass
    01[00:42] <Arkangel> Sniper genhutsu
    [00:42] <&Y> can Itachi genjutsu someone by taking a photograph of his mangekyou sharingan and showing it to people
    [00:42] <&DS> prolly
    01[00:43] <Arkangel> Itachi can do anything Y
    01[00:43] <Arkangel> Even save Ed's mom
    [00:43] <&Y> Arkangel yes and the only reason kurenai's genjutsu failed
    [00:43] <&Y> is because the plot required it to
    [00:43] <&DS> the 1st's gentjutsu was pretty goddamn instant as well
    [00:43] <&Y> if anybody could just trap people in illusions there would be no point in all these ninja fireballs
    01[00:43] <Arkangel> Fine, if you want to look at it like that everything works because it's supposed to work
    [00:43] <&DS> when he made everything black
    [00:43] <&Y> you would just mindcontrol somebody
    [00:43] <&DS> against 3rd
    01[00:43] <Arkangel> And our discussion for the past 10 minutes as been completely meaningless
    [00:43] <&DS> it was like *poof* darkness
    [00:44] <&Y> yeah and kabuto didn't do incantations or anything to genjutsu sasuke and itachi
    [00:44] <&DS> I don't think there was any eye contact or whatever
    [00:44] <&Y> it just happened, probably because he set it up beforehand
    [00:44] <&DS> just blackness
    [00:44] <&DS> out of nowhere
    01[00:44] <Arkangel> That might not have been genjutsu DS
    [00:44] <&DS> uit was
    [00:44] <&DS> it*
    01[00:44] <Arkangel> Might be shadow manipulation
    [00:44] <&DS> nope it's a genjutsu
    [00:44] <&Y> yeah it's a genjutsu, it just deactivates your sight
    [00:45] <&Y> Arkangel what I'm saying is it's silly that all these techniques are getting invented
    [00:45] <&Y> when they are all, fundamentally, the exact same thing
    [00:45] <&Y> an illusion that actually fucking works
    01[00:45] <Arkangel> That was my fucking point Y >_>
    [00:45] <&DS> izanagi is retarded though
    [00:45] <&Y> there's NOTHING special about tsukiyomi. any genjutsu should be able to alter the target's perception of time
    01[00:45] <Arkangel> Every jutsu invented from this moment on will be bulshit
    [00:45] <&DS> since it's not an illusion
    [00:45] <&DS> it just fucking erases what you did
    [00:45] <%Xelbair> did byakugan got some love?
    [00:45] <&Y> i don't think that's true
    01[00:46] <Arkangel> Because everyone is so fucking overpowered that they just become more and more ridiculous
    [00:46] <&DS> byakugan has been the same since the star
    [00:46] <&DS> t
    [00:46] <&Y> just like izanami doesn't actually trap someone in a time paradox, izanagi isn't actually undoing reality, it just appears that way to the target
    [00:47] <&Y> otherwise danzou could just go back in time like he had the car from back to the future
    [00:47] <&DS> I don't think so
    [00:47] <&DS> I think it activates as soon as you get hit
    [00:47] <&DS> like a kawarimi
    [00:47] <&Y> the replacement shit activated BEFORE you get hit obv
    [00:47] <&Y> it just looks like you're getting hit
    [00:47] <&Y> same for Izanagi
    [00:48] <&Y> otherwise everyone in the series can time travel and undo wounds they recieved using replacement jutsu
    [00:48] <&DS> I don't think it's time travel like that
    [00:48] <&Y> also it just doesn't many any sense
    [00:48] <&DS> it only works IF he gets hit
    [00:48] <&DS> if he doesn't nothing gets erased
    [00:48] <&Y> as soon as he's about to get hit
    [00:49] <&Y> it genjutsu's the target into thinking they were successful
    [00:49] <&Y> when in fact they were not
    [00:49] <&DS> to the wiki!
    [00:49] <&Y> lol I don't really care what the wiki says
    01[00:49] <Arkangel> Wiki is written by people too DS
    [00:49] <&Y> it's obvious it's a genjutsu, and not actually danzou literally having the power to travel through time
    [00:49] <&DS> well the wiki lists the chapters where the shit gets explained
    [00:49] <&DS> that's what I'm looking for
    [00:50] <&Y> if danzou can literally time travel why doesn't he just reverse the entire day and wake up in his bed that morning not dead
    [00:50] <&DS> again I don't think it's time travel in the sense that he can just go, oh I got hit, where in time will I go now?
    [00:50] <&DS> I think it just resets before the fatal hit
    [00:51] <&Y> so it's a very limited form of time travel, ok
    [00:51] <&DS> I think so
    [00:51] <&Y> that's totally absurd compared to it just being a clever genjutsu
    [00:51] <&DS> if it was genjutsu
    [00:51] <&DS> why respawn not anywhere near the enemy?
    [00:51] <&DS> and just kill them when they are shooting the illusion?
    [00:52] <&Y> because if genjutsu actually worked, none of the other techniques in the series would be worth a shit
    [00:52] <&Y> you could just make your opponent fight trees the whole fucking time
    [00:52] <&Y> even if it's TIME TRAVEL why not respawn somewhere far away
    [00:53] <&Y> because most of the cast of this series are fucking retarded
    [00:53] <&DS> http://www.mangapanda.com/93-45540-2...apter-479.html
    01[00:53] <Arkangel> Well whatever
    01[00:53] <Arkangel> Kyuubi already eliminated genjutsu off the equation
    [00:53] <&DS> tobi's explanation over a few pages
    01[00:53] <Arkangel> By becoming naruto's willing bitch
    01[00:53] <Arkangel> I will never believe anything Tobi says or will say DS
    01[00:53] <Arkangel> EVER
    [00:54] <&Y> lol well
    [00:54] <&Y> two pages later he says it's a genjutsu
    01[00:54] <Arkangel> Nothing Tobi says may ever be considered as fact
    [00:54] <&Y> "the ultimate illusion"
    [00:54] <&Y> so...
    [00:54] <&DS> yes
    [00:54] <&DS> as in it makes things real
    [00:54] <&DS> as he says the page before it
    [00:54] <&Y> you're right actually
    [00:55] <&Y> danzou thinks about how he can't release Izanagi, implying if he does he will be dead again
    [00:55] <&Y> that just doesn't make a lick of sense
    01[00:55] <Arkangel> No
    01[00:55] <Arkangel> Implying that if he does he could die at any minute
    01[00:55] <Arkangel> He's afraid of Sasuke
    [00:56] <&Y> yeah ark has it
    [00:56] <&DS> if that arrow hit danzou and it was just an illusion, I don't understand why danzou doesn't just walk up to him and stab sasuke in the back while it happens
    [00:56] <&Y> it's totally just a really funky genjutsu
    01[00:56] <Arkangel> Specifically, his Susanoo
    [00:56] <&DS> but no he respawns right next to his dead body
    [00:56] <&Y> because he can only control his "personal" reality? whatever that means. it's just an excuse as to why he can't magically alter events so sasuke stabbed himself
    01[00:56] <Arkangel> It's like this chapter says
    [00:56] <&DS> THAT makes no sense
    01[00:56] <Arkangel> It lets you redo shit DS
    [00:56] <&DS> no just think about it
    01[00:57] <Arkangel> In his other reality, danzou dodged it
    [00:57] <&DS> danzou should NEVER get hit by anything
    [00:57] <&DS> he should never stop moving
    [00:57] <&DS> ever
    [00:57] <&Y> well
    [00:57] <&DS> if it was genjutsu
    [00:57] <&Y> his Izanagi is eating his eyes
    [00:57] <&Y> he can't just keep doing it forever
    01[00:57] <Arkangel> It's a personal genjutsu
    [00:57] <&Y> that's the downside
    [00:57] <&DS> no think of it this way
    01[00:57] <Arkangel> He using an ilusion on himself
    [00:57] <&DS> his illusion gets hit right?
    [00:57] <&DS> why would the real danzou stop moving?
    [00:57] <&DS> and appear next to the dead body?
    [00:57] <&DS> the real danzou SHOULD be meters ahead
    [00:58] <&DS> since he never got hit
    [00:58] <&Y> i'm sure has to concentrate and gather ninja magic to use it
    01[00:58] <Arkangel> Dude, listen
    01[00:58] <Arkangel> It's like this chapter explained
    01[00:58] <Arkangel> It allows you to redo your past
    01[00:58] <Arkangel> In the original "timeline", danzou got hit
    01[00:58] <Arkangel> In the one he remade, he dodged
    [00:58] <&DS> that's what I've been saying...
    [00:58] <&DS> it's time travel
    01[00:59] <Arkangel> It's... time manipulation
    [00:59] <&DS> same difference?
    [00:59] <&Y> it's definitely not time travel or time manipulation or anything
    [00:59] <&Y> lol
    01[00:59] <Arkangel> Well he's not actually traveing
    01[00:59] <Arkangel> He's redoing it
    [00:59] <&DS> http://www.mangapanda.com/93-57473-1...apter-510.html
    01[01:00] <Arkangel> Why the fuck am i trying so hard to explain something Kishi clearly pulled out of his ass?
    [01:00] <&DS> a techniquye with the power to turn imagination into reality
    [01:00] <&DS> the fatal injury gets erased and simply never happened
    01[01:00] <Arkangel> You know, the sage is to blame for all of this
    01[01:01] <Arkangel> Dickhead
    [01:01] <&Y> idk
    [01:01] <&Y> again this is Tobi explaining it
    [01:01] <&DS> http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/587/5
    [01:02] <&DS> if yiou try to erase the results with izanagi
    [01:02] <&DS> there
    [01:02] <&DS> 3 times now
    [01:02] <&Y> exactly
    [01:02] <&Y> and in that cute little graph, izanami is also depicted as a time loop
    [01:02] <&Y> when it's just a genjutsu...
    [01:02] <&DS> izanami is just something else
    [01:02] <&Y> that's just a way to explain the effects of the genjutsu
    [01:02] <&DS> but 3 times now has it been said that izanagi alters reality
    01[01:03] <Arkangel> All times explained by exceptional liars
    01[01:03] <Arkangel> Have naruto explain it to me and i'll believe it
    [01:03] <&Y> nah
    01[01:03] <Arkangel> Get it?
    01[01:03] <Arkangel> ta dum tchh
    [01:03] <&Y> the explanation is fine, it's just that he also says izanami puts you in a time loop, so he is clearly just explaining how each one affects you, not that each one controls time
    [01:04] <&DS> no it actually doesn't say time loop
    [01:04] <&DS> it says thgat because izanagi erases results, it will use those results against you in a genjutsu
    [01:04] <&DS> and will just loop izanagi over and over again
    [01:04] <&DS> cause you can't get a good result
    [01:04] <&Y> also uh
    [01:04] <&DS> that's why non izanagi users cqan get out
    [01:04] <&DS> if they just...stop fighting I guess
    [01:04] <&Y> on an unrelated subject
    [01:04] <&Y> http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/587/9
    [01:05] <&Y> this is a mistranslation right? itachi was going to use the whatever on sasuke but didn't
    [01:05] <&DS> yes that's wrong
    01[01:05] <Arkangel> Wait for mangastream
    [01:05] <&DS> I read the other translation
    [01:05] <&DS> it said he was going to use it on him
    [01:05] <&DS> I think
    01[01:05] <Arkangel> Oh btw
    01[01:06] <Arkangel> Snake sage mode? Out of nowhere?
    [01:06] <&Y> also great little bit
    01[01:06] <Arkangel> Really?
    [01:06] <&Y> Kabuto explodes out of his body
    [01:06] <&DS> why not
    [01:06] <&Y> and takes the time to grab his GLASSES off it
    [01:06] <&Y> this despite the fact that HE HAS NO EYES ATM
    01[01:06] <Arkangel> Because it's supposed to be something hard to achieve DS
    01[01:06] <Arkangel> Naruto had hacks and even then it took him quite a bit
    [01:07] <&Y> that was totally worth it
    [01:07] <&DS> he obviously needs them for extra power Y
    [01:07] <&Y> for that page of the snake sage smoking a pipe
    01[01:07] <Arkangel> Megane power
    01[01:07] <Arkangel> powah*
    [01:07] <&DS> the snake sage is pimp
    [01:08] <&Y> also
    [01:08] <&Y> I like how kabuto's friend from the orphanage
    [01:08] <&Y> apparently STILL DOESN'T REALIZE that kabuto is evil, despite having blatantly attacked konoha a bunch, and that he is still out on a mission
    [01:08] <&Y> this guy doesn't subscribe to the konoha newspaper obv
    01[01:08] <Arkangel> How did that brother now know he was in the chunin exam anyway?
    01[01:08] <Arkangel> Didn't he do those a dozen times?
    [01:09] <&Y> yeah that makes no sense, I already mentioned that a few chapters back
    [01:09] <&DS> ppl from konoha just have terrible memories
    [01:09] <&Y> Kabuto registered under his own name in the chuunin exam for years
    [01:09] <&DS> like how they didn't recognise him in the chuunin exam
    [01:09] <&Y> despite being an assassination target for Root
    [01:09] <&Y> ofc this is because at the time he didn't have this retarded backstory
    [01:09] <&DS> oh this 50 year old genin named kabuto wants to enter?
    [01:09] <&DS> fine
    [01:09] <&Y> lol
    01[01:09] <Arkangel> Then at the very least have the decency to adapt the backstory to fit the actual character
    01[01:10] <Arkangel> Fucking Kishi
    [01:10] <&Y> he isn't that old right lol
    [01:10] <&DS> nah lol
    01[01:10] <Arkangel> Titles don't mean anything anymore
    [01:10] <&Y> also itachi is obviously going to fail to stop edo tensei completely
    01[01:10] <Arkangel> naruto the genin keeps getting thrown into SSSSSS missions
    [01:10] <&Y> i'm going to scream if madara just randomly vanishes and that's the resolution to the fight
    [01:11] <&DS> I actually
    [01:11] <&DS> hope
    01[01:11] <Arkangel> Can you record the scream?
    [01:11] <&DS> madara just murders all the kage
    [01:11] <&Y> yes
    [01:11] <&DS> just gets rid of them
    [01:11] <&Y> lol
    01[01:11] <Arkangel> I'd like to use it when it's bed time
    01[01:11] <Arkangel> And your soothing agony may rock me to sleep
    [01:12] <&Y> also
    [01:12] <&Y> since the zombies have infinite chakra
    01[01:12] <Arkangel> Y'all should read One Piece
    [01:12] <&Y> why didn't kabuto just resurrect only Madara, then have him split into 500,000 kage bunshins
    01[01:12] <Arkangel> Shit's so cash
    [01:12] <&Y> and easily kill everyone
    [01:12] <&DS> because then there wouldn't be any hype
    [01:12] <&DS> and kabuto wins
    01[01:13] <Arkangel> Because zombies can't bunshin?
    01[01:13] <Arkangel> Have we ever seen one do it?
    [01:13] <&DS> lol
    [01:13] <&DS> madara made like 25 bunshin
    [01:13] <&DS> rofl
    [01:13] <&Y> yeah
    [01:13] <&DS> that's where the fight is now
    [01:13] <&DS> him making those bunshin
    [01:13] <&Y> madara has already done exactly that
    [01:14] <&Y> why not just make 25 madaras to begin with
    [01:14] <&Y> pretty confident 25 of him could beat the allied army
    01[01:14] <Arkangel> Oh shit he did
    [01:14] <&Y> since they are all invincible
    01[01:14] <Arkangel> This manga's retarded
    01[01:14] <Arkangel> Does Kabuto even have to supply any sort of manga to the zombies?
    01[01:15] <Arkangel> He said they'd still work if he's dead... maybe he's lying?
    [01:15] <&DS> chakra?
    [01:15] <&DS> no
    [01:15] <&DS> they are self sufficient perpetual energy reactors
    [01:16] <&Y> lol
    01[01:16] <Arkangel> THIS IS SO RETARDED
    [01:16] <&Y> konoha could generate a perpetual motion machine by rezzing any random ninja and having them cast fireball 24 hours a day
    [01:16] <&DS> rofl yeah
    01[01:16] <Arkangel> Or have a never ending source of fresh water
    [01:16] <&Y> lol
    01[01:17] <Arkangel> Infinite electricity power plant
    [01:17] <&Y> edo tensei could solve all the problems of the world
    01[01:17] <Arkangel> From just one dude
    [01:17] <&Y> infinite medical jutsus
    [01:17] <&Y> like Tsunades
    01[01:17] <Arkangel> Infinite tsunades
    01[01:17] <Arkangel> All over the world
    [01:17] <&Y> hospitals could be staffed by doctors who never go to sleep
    [01:17] <&DS> instead it's being used for war
    01[01:17] <Arkangel> They'd be like nurse joy
    [01:17] <&DS> ofcourse
    [01:17] <&Y> and can cure all wounds short of instantaneous death
    01[01:17] <Arkangel> Free health care everywhere
    [01:17] <&Y> in fact rofl
    [01:17] <&Y> you can obviously cure death itself... WITH THE FUCKING EDO TENSEI!
    [01:18] <&DS> lol
    01[01:18] <Arkangel> Rez the fourth, lightining fast carriers
    [01:18] <&DS> in the end everyone is a zombie
    [01:18] <&DS> rofl
    [01:18] <&DS> like the entire world
    [01:18] <&DS> just zombies
    01[01:18] <Arkangel> No more UPS bulshit from ani
    [01:18] <&Y> it doesn't even matter if you're a zombie
    [01:18] <&Y> because the edo tensei caster can just give you free will
    01[01:18] <Arkangel> The 4th would deliver his shit instantly
    [01:18] <&Y> and, apparently, you are actually the same person when resurrected
    [01:18] <&Y> so it's no different from being alive
    [01:18] <&DS> lol
    [01:19] <&Y> all it requires is dead bodies as fuel, which I'm sure you could find plenty of ninjas willing to donate their body to literally solving all the world's ills
    01[01:19] <Arkangel> You also need to kill a second dude
    01[01:19] <Arkangel> Maybe you could use terminally ill ninjas
    [01:19] <&Y> i thought you just needed to kill someone and use material
    [01:19] <&Y> just use already dead people
    [01:19] <&DS> you only need 1 person
    [01:19] <&Y> or yes
    [01:19] <&DS> but that person needs to be alive
    [01:20] <&DS> in the ritual
    [01:20] <&Y> I'm quite sure people would be willing to sacrifice their lives
    [01:20] <&Y> or better yet
    [01:20] <&Y> just have them sacrifice themselves
    [01:20] <&Y> and then resurrect THAT PERSON
    [01:20] <&DS> lolll
    [01:20] <&Y> so no one actually dies
    [01:20] <&Y> even if it was something sinister
    [01:20] <&DS> resurrectionception
    [01:20] <&Y> like they have to die against their will
    [01:20] <&Y> you could use edo tensei as capital punishment
    [01:21] <&Y> and accomplish everything
    [01:21] <&DS> edo tensei is naruto's replicator tech
    01[01:21] <Arkangel> Replicators need matter
    01[01:21] <Arkangel> These zombies can fucking create it themselves
    [01:22] <&Y> so does edo tensei, but that's hardly a limiting factor
    01[01:22] <Arkangel> They're basically demigods
    [01:22] <&Y> you have to start with something
    [01:22] <&Y> but you get more out of it than you put in
    [01:22] <&DS> so actually
    [01:22] <&DS> oro saved the world
    [01:22] <&DS> he's ghandi
    [01:22] <&Y> at least star trek's world acknowledged replicator technology created a post-scarcity society
    01[01:22] <Arkangel> Poor Oro
    [01:22] <&Y> and there's still bullshit like you can't fabricate certain things in a replicator
    [01:22] <&DS> snake bastard was just misunderstood
    01[01:23] <Arkangel> Stargate's replicators are better Y
    01[01:23] <Arkangel> They can create anything out of everything
    [01:23] <&Y> DS he was really just a monstrous idiot
    [01:23] <&Y> since he could have won ANY war with edo tensei
    [01:23] <&DS> yeah
    [01:23] <&Y> even if you can only resurrect 1 person, you just teach them kage bunshin and they make infinite bunshins
    01[01:24] <Arkangel> Not really, he wasn't nearly as good with it as Kabuto is
    [01:24] <&Y> see my previous statement
    01[01:24] <Arkangel> For all you know they weren't generators back then
    01[01:24] <Arkangel> And needed Oro's chakra
    01[01:24] <Arkangel> Kabuto did say he improved it
    [01:25] <&DS> which is a clear deus ex machina
    [01:25] <&DS> just like suigetsu finding oro's fucking laptop
    [01:25] <&Y> lmao
    [01:26] <&Y> that over anything
    01[01:26] <Arkangel> I bet it's a mac
    [01:26] <&Y> was the most laughable moment in the manga
    01[01:26] <Arkangel> Fucking hipster oro
    [01:26] <&DS> hah
    [01:26] <&Y> it clearly doesn't need the user's chakra
    [01:26] <&Y> because orochimaru obviously doesn't have as much chakra as the 1st, 2nd, and 4th combined, yet he felt confident in resurrecting them and the jutsu has no time limite
    [01:26] <&DS> it doesn't need anything rofl
    [01:26] <&DS> it's just powered by pure will
    [01:26] <&Y> if oro wasn't a bad guy
    [01:26] <&Y> he would have saved the world
    [01:27] <&Y> bahahaha
    [01:27] <&DS> lol
    [01:27] <&Y> all agriculture work could be done by edo tensei bunshins
    [01:27] <&Y> in case you felt awkward about basically enslaving people
    [01:27] <&Y> since bunshins aren't even real people
    [01:28] <&Y> i wanna post a thread called Saving the World with Edo Tensei that discusses how it's actually the greatest thing
    [01:28] <&DS> lol
    [01:28] <&DS> this entire convo should be posted on the forum
    [01:29] <&Y> kishi should just throw random super tech
    [01:29] <&Y> into naruto
    [01:29] <&Y> every 100 chapters
    [01:29] <&Y> like gaara coordinates the alliance army with his ipad
    01[01:29] <Arkangel> i shall!


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