One Piece Manga Discussion: Scanlation/Translated Only

[poopdeville]

Easy. The difference is luffy can be cut up, and his skin doesn't come apart to deflect and stop everything, er, let things pass through like logia types. And he can't rebuild himself after attack. Technically, I can see where your argument would come in. But in the end its an ability to stretch. Otherwise that would be like saying that Robins hands can be built so much that she can be "made from hands". Which would be bullshit. In the end, logia is an elementally based fruit. Rubber is not an natural element. So stop trying to pass it off as one.

Crocodile can be cut as well, if he's wet. Enel can be cut as well, with a sharp, hard rubber knife, or glass (which, like rubber, is an insulator). Neither can "rebuild" themselves in that case. Indeed, both Enel and Crocodile bled after getting beaten by Luffy.

Luffy is SLIGHTLY weaker in that regard since any sharp object can cut him. But he is made of rubber, or else he couldn't do Second and Third Gear, which rely on his organs and bones being made of rubber.

Also, rubber trees. Though most rubbers are synthetic, there are many natural rubbers.

[docdan63]

Crocodile can be cut as well, if he's wet. Enel can be cut as well, with a sharp, hard rubber knife, or glass (which, like rubber, is an insulator). Neither can "rebuild" themselves in that case. Indeed, both Enel and Crocodile bled after getting beaten by Luffy.

Luffy is SLIGHTLY weaker in that regard since any sharp object can cut him. But he is made of rubber, or else he couldn't do Second and Third Gear, which rely on his organs and bones being made of rubber.

Also, rubber trees. Though most rubbers are synthetic, there are many natural rubbers.

Key word there, wet. Besides that, everything passes right through him because he's basically made of sand. Both Smoker and him have shown those traits.I don't remember when, but Smoker was even sleeping at one point and had a punch or weapon pass through him. So yeah Croc is the same. I'll give you that he's made of rubber. But rubber is an ability he was given. The bottom line is that yes he is all rubber so it's like an element, however, since he is able to be cut or burned, technically, not all things can pass through him. Like a logia type. And if you need the actual definition. Heres a site that will clear things up.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Logia

If that doesn't convince you then I don't know what will.

[Assertn]

Hmm...Kuma vs Kidd should be interesting indeed....

If Kuma is a cyborg, and Kidd can manipulate metal, then this could be a relatively easy win for Kidd. Considering that Kidd's bounty is higher than Luffy's, and Luffy defeated two shichibukai, it shouldn't be too outrageous for Kidd to be able to stand up to Kuma.

Edit: Also....rereading it....another possibility I consider is that Kuma is indeed the original captain of Law's crew. He does possess the same patterns that Law wears, and they both seem to be all about bears, too. Maybe there will be some sort of tie-in with this?

[poopdeville]

Key word there, wet. Besides that, everything passes right through him because he's basically made of sand. Both Smoker and him have shown those traits.I don't remember when, but Smoker was even sleeping at one point and had a punch or weapon pass through him. So yeah Croc is the same. I'll give you that he's made of rubber. But rubber is an ability he was given. The bottom line is that yes he is all rubber so it's like an element, however, since he is able to be cut or burned, technically, not all things can pass through him. Like a logia type. And if you need the actual definition. Heres a site that will clear things up.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Logia

If that doesn't convince you then I don't know what will.

Except, like I said, a glass sword would cut through Enel, an unquestionable Logia type. And Smoker and Ace have both shown the trait that getting hit WON'T make them turn into their element, if they are hit by surprise (recall the scene in the Arabasta bar, where both Smoker and Ace are looking for Luffy).

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am saying it isn't very clear. Anyway, this is pointless. Luffy kicks ass either way. :-)

[rockmanj]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5VZ7F1U8

505...look who shows up YET again.

[Death BOO Z]

this time. he better kill or be killed, none of the pussy "I'll let you go, for now" crap.
I really hope someone gets to kill him, but I don't think it'll happenn.

but still, a fun chapter.

[Xscatic]

504....action, light comedy, supense(?), it's just great.

btw rockman, with all the crazy stuff the marines are invovled with right now, it's expected that someone of his level shows up. but for HIM out of all people to just appear right now is just beyond crazy.

(edit: I don't even think these two will fight right now due to all of the circumstances happening right now)

Hopefully it's a quick stop before meeting up w/ the others cause their is no way the battle between those two groups could be over so quick. i'm praying that Oda will at least show some scenes of it going down instead of it being some "unseen background plot development".

And it seems that Kidd's DF is the power of a magnet. So any fighting between those two should be interesting.

[rockmanj]

It seems they like to throw Kuma out a lot lately. But what if he wasn't there on the marine's behalf? That would be interesting...

[poopdeville]

Bad faith. Don't insult me, we're just talking. I just asked a question. Your answer was not very convincing, and in fact is contradicted by passages as I have shown -- the Arabasta bar, where Luffy Bazookas into Ace and Smoker (which don't turn into their elemental types), and Enel, who would be cut by any sharp electrical insulator, like glass. The WHOLE reason Luffy could touch him was because rubber is an insulator.

I was done with this topic, but YOU brought it up, again. In a very passive-aggressive way, I might add. It seems like YOU want the last word, but are frustrated by my simple objections.

[docdan63]

I was reading through the boards and manga, and something came to my attention. I didn't know this but Ace was WB's second division commander. Jozu the big guy here http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/000...0000434/03.jpg and Marco the 1st division captain were above and below Ace. But it makes me wonder something. I know Jozu is probably very very strong. And Ace had one of the most powerful fruits around (logia and in general) but if they were bother below Marco, than how strong could Marco be? The would have to much stronger than Ace and at least have a fruit or some kind power that makes him worthy of being above command.

Thoughts?

[Augury]

Two weeks without Internet... well, I ended up reading two chapters at once as a result.

Something interesting about Kidd is how he responded to Luffy's line about finding One Piece first. Earlier, it sounded like he was just an evil civilian-killer, but now it seems like he's an evil civilian-killer that only targets people who laugh at the One Piece dream.

Whitebeard vs Shichibukai: I don't think it'll be one-sided. If we think of Whitebeard's lieutenants as two people comparable to Ace and replace Whitebeard with Shanks/Mihawk, they should be fine.

Kuma is a bit difficult to figure out. He definitely has his own agenda since he's deviating from the World Government's orders at such a crucial time (especially since he appeared to be the most loyal in the past). At first I thought that he may be friendly with Dragon, but now that he's attacking Kidd that idea is pretty weak.

Law taking in that captain: I don't think this really says much... guys like Masira can survive in the Grand Line so the captured captain is most likely on par with weaker members of the Strawhat crew.

[toonice714]

I thought all of the shichibukai were all pirates that were once captains or high bounty holding pirates that were given the option to stop being hunted in exchange for govt. territory and thier allegiance. I dont see how Kuma or any of the shichibukai couldnt be captains at one point or another. Flamingo, Moria, and Jinbei were already known and feared as pirate captains why cant Kuma be one?
Anyways, this manga never ceases to deliver for me. I think that Kidd's battle and all the other battle that will occur will be interrupted (unfortunately) due to the chaos on the island as it stands. I think the previous pirates shown will all either run through battles and give eachother a means to escape, or two or three pirate crews might get captured to make way for more interesting and dynamic crews to get away. Lets face it some of the other pirate crews arent as great as the ones we've seen developed. Besides the One Piece universe isnt lacking in characters, it can spare a couple pseudo famous pirates.
I hope Kidd, Law, and X-drake escape. I dont remember the crew with the sky island native but i would like to see more explained about that area of the story. Cant wait for 507!!!

[docdan63]

I dont see how Kuma or any of the shichibukai couldnt be captains at one point or another. Flamingo, Moria, and Jinbei were already known and feared as pirate captains why cant Kuma be one? Anyways, this manga never ceases to deliver for me. I think that Kidd's battle and all the other battle that will occur will be interrupted (unfortunately) due to the chaos on the island as it stands. I think the previous pirates shown will all either run through battles and give eachother a means to escape, or two or three pirate crews might get captured to make way for more interesting and dynamic crews to get away. I hope Kidd, Law, and X-drake escape. I dont remember the crew with the sky island native but i would like to see more explained about that area of the story. Cant wait for 507!!!

No no. Kuma can be a captain and Assert is probably right about him being Laws former captain. I'm just saying Odas done a good job convincing me that he's always been a loyal shichibukai and not a rebel. A good boy if you will. Theres rumor going around now that Kidd may be the last shichibukai member. Like a secret agent one or something. I hope all of them escape actually. The straw hats can't handle everyone alone. And I actually think it'd be boring without Drake. He used to be a former marine official and knows how the government works. So it'd be interesting to see what he'll think will happen when Kizaru shows up with his boys.

What do you mean by developed crews? I actually think Oda showing us Joz and Marco early on, sets us up on a good preview for whats coming. It was really clever and well done IMO. Especially when Marco and Joz knew that Shanks was going to cause some disruption and told the weak young guys to back down.

By the way. Why is everyone frothing over Laws powers? It's not even a logia type and it's just funny looking. I think Oda could do better with a supernovas powers.

[Augury]

I think you're confusing boards, docdan. This is Gotwoot... I don't see anyone here frothing over Law.

[Assertn]

I think you're confusing rumors with personal conjecture, docdan. Nobody is suspecting that Kidd is a shichibukai.

[toonice714]

I just consider the newly shown pirate crews(capone, magic guy and chick who cant stop eating) as throw aways with the exception of X-Drake. But that is just my personal opinion. Those characters are no less significant than the other pirate crews shown. I just personally dont see them being of any value to the advancement of the story other than to give the other more interesting crews an escape route. Thats just me. I also love how OP gives you hopefuls in the way of match-ups. Like Law's bear vs. Sanji, Kidd's firstmate Vs. Zoro, etc.

[docdan63]

I consider them throw away crews as well. And it's probably why the Admiral showing up scaring them is coming into play. My thought at least. Oda couldn't have no pirates there with only SH's and bounty hunters roaming around. So I agree with I was just wondering what you meant by throw away is all. When do you guys actually think we'll see WB start to fight the shichibukai? I say chapter 511 or 512.

On the Law thing. I was mixing my forum accounts up there. Many forums think Laws ability is plain bad ass. I just think it's weak for Oda to use this late in the series on a guy like him. Thats all