Naruto Shippuuden Episode 29-30

[DeathscytheVII]

lol "I blew it into another dimension." it was so bad, that i found it good.

I loved how Deidara fought with the kunai in his mouth and almost escaped, badass, it just shows how useless team gai was in this entire arc. Kinda sucks how Deidara doesn't get a fight, instead its just a pursuit, but oh well. I didn't like him at first, but he's definitely one of my fav akatsuki now!

Naruto's tearful (borderline emo) speech and gaara's death didn't quite carry the emotional impact i thought it would. Disappointing. It was almost as horrible as Kakashi's dimensional vortex. I'm not sure, but with an anime as popular as Naruto, you'd think they could afford a better animation staff! Either someone's funnelling some money into a slush fund, or the show's creator is giving a friend's animation company a break.

[Idealistic]

lol "I blew it into another dimension." it was so bad, that i found it good.

I loved how Deidara fought with the kunai in his mouth and almost escaped, badass, it just shows how useless team gai was in this entire arc. Kinda sucks how Deidara doesn't get a fight, instead its just a pursuit, but oh well. I didn't like him at first, but he's definitely one of my fav akatsuki now!

Naruto's tearful (borderline emo) speech and gaara's death didn't quite carry the emotional impact i thought it would. Disappointing. It was almost as horrible as Kakashi's dimensional vortex. I'm not sure, but with an anime as popular as Naruto, you'd think they could afford a better animation staff! Either someone's funnelling some money into a slush fund, or the show's creator is giving a friend's animation company a break.

It's just really hard to believe that Deidara who specializes in long-range attacks held off Team Gai with Taijutsu. The funny thing is, all of Team Gai are Taijutsu focused fighters and they can't even catch Deidara.

At least make it believable.... If it was in the manga as well, I forgot, i wasn't around during the discussion of that chapter.

And like I always say about the animation, watching episode 1-2 and then the rest are like two different shows.

[Nai]

You know things are in the shitter when the antagonist appears like the heroic one. I always knew Naruto was a douchebag but after all that preaching about heroics, fair play and such he still decides to claim the life of the crippled Deidara for the sake of sheer vengeance? Not saying I mind him finally acting like a ninja but it comes across as slightly hypocritical considering his earlier statements and merely reinforces my belief that he is a brat without a fucking clue who should learn how to shut the fuck up. Quite difficult for me personally to get behind such a protagonist. The fact that he felt the need to throw a tantrum at the dying Chiyo didn't exactly make him more appealing. How about some respect for the elderly, kid?

Deidara on the other hand fought until the very fucking end and remained utterly true to his art. Such a man. When he knew he could not escape he opted to simply blow his own ass up rather than grant them the pleasure of defeating him. You know you're a badass when you can fend off an entire team of pursuers with a mere kunai in your mouth. Of course, his final blast of sexiness was entirely nullified by yet another cheap ass trick. I felt eerily similar to how I felt during a certain moment in Gundam SEED Destiny when a certain revived character deflected a certain super attack from a certain positron cannon. Needless to say, I wasn't too enthusiastic about it.

And if they fucking dare to bring Gaara back from the dead this show is joining the aforementioned Gundam SEED Destiny in the eternal shitpile of doom. I've always loved Gaara and as such I'd hate to see him be brought back and pussified for the sake of fanservice. Let the guy rest in peace and let his legacy remain that of a badass.

[Idealistic]

How come Kakashi's MS took like a whole episode to suck in Deidara's arm, but it sucked in his explosion instantly?

[mage]

How come Kakashi's MS took like a whole episode to suck in Deidara's arm, but it sucked in his explosion instantly?

deidara's arm being sucked in was only 5 pages in the manga, so obviously the anime directors are just stretching shit out so they wont have to go to filler as soon

[Buffalobiian]

I'm wondering how Deidera made a clay clone with no seals. (assuming it was a clay clone). First punch hit him, and then walla, he's gone. Come to think of it now, I think Naruto or Kakashi said it was a replacement....but still, he'd have a hard time replacing himself with no hands...

How come Kakashi's MS took like a whole episode to suck in Deidara's arm, but it sucked in his explosion instantly?

He took the whole episode to AIM for Deidera and missed his vital spots because he's flying around. Deidara was standing still when he exploded, so it makes it easier.

[February]

I'm wondering how Deidera made a clay clone with no seals. (assuming it was a clay clone). First punch hit him, and then walla, he's gone. Come to think of it now, I think Naruto or Kakashi said it was a replacement....but still, he'd have a hard time replacing himself with no hands...




He took the whole episode to AIM for Deidera and missed his vital spots because he's flying around. Deidara was standing still when he exploded, so it makes it easier.

Possibly, Deidara made a replacement way back before. On second thought, 1 handed jutsus are possible (Haku) and we know that Deidara is more of a item-user rather than a jutsu-user.

The reason Kakashi got Deidara at first with his MS was because Deidara had no clue about what was going on or what he should do...after the 1st attack, he had some clue that something was sucking his body in so he started moving.

Why is it so hard to believe that Sharingan can perform dou jutsus other than illusions and genjutus? As someone said before, Itachi's black flame was a non-genjutsu dou jutsu. It is one of the strongest moves we've seen in the series so far. It can distort dimensions and seriously mess up people mentally if you look into the eye. This is why the bloodline eye clans were so secretly guarded and powerful in status and strength. Thus, I can see why it is so overpowered

And as someone else mentioned about Gai team unable to take out Deidara with a single kunai in his mouth, I believe that part is really unrealistic too. Gai, no even Lee himself should be able to beat down Deidara with brute taijutsu when he doesnt have any arms. Speed-wise, I am sure Lee is faster too.

Even though Naruto bitched at Chiyo which I agree is disrespectful, Naruto does have some truth in his speech because Chiyo and the sand shinobis of her generation did cause alot of trouble to Gaara by placing the monster inside of him.

[TNTxTNT]

You know things are in the shitter when the antagonist appears like the heroic one. I always knew Naruto was a douchebag but after all that preaching about heroics, fair play and such he still decides to claim the life of the crippled Deidara for the sake of sheer vengeance? Not saying I mind him finally acting like a ninja but it comes across as slightly hypocritical considering his earlier statements and merely reinforces my belief that he is a brat without a fucking clue who should learn how to shut the fuck up. Quite difficult for me personally to get behind such a protagonist. The fact that he felt the need to throw a tantrum at the dying Chiyo didn't exactly make him more appealing. How about some respect for the elderly, kid?

No, he's a retard for yelling at an old lady. There is a certain level of respect you should afford to elders, and screaming like at them like a bitch because you are going emo isn't endearing.

Well isn't it kind of showing a darker side of Naruto? Becoming more and more influenced by the demon fox, it taking over his body and enticing him to release it like in the first episode. Becoming alienated with his friends and such. Just speculating. They seemed awfully close in that scene in the first episode, like the fox was getting to him somehow.

[Yukimura]

Nai, you're giving the Kakashi magic too much credit, at least in Destiny it had been established earlier in the show that shields beat positron lasers. In this case the first time Kakashi used his dimension ripper thing it took him 10 minutes and he couldn't ended up only taking a chunk of Diedaras arm. However, after being exhausted from using it so much he was able to get the whole explosion and send it away completely in a instant. This does not make sense. If he could operate it on such a large scale he should have been able to destroy Diedara's entire body, instead of just a chunk of his arm.

[Buffalobiian]

Nai, you're giving the Kakashi magic too much credit, at least in Destiny it had been established earlier in the show that shields beat positron lasers. In this case the first time Kakashi used his dimension ripper thing it took him 10 minutes and he couldn't ended up only taking a chunk of Diedaras arm. However, after being exhausted from using it so much he was able to get the whole explosion and send it away completely in a instant. This does not make sense. If he could operate it on such a large scale he should have been able to destroy Diedara's entire body, instead of just a chunk of his arm.

It could be poorly explained that gases have less mass and makes it easier to suck into another dimension compared to ripping a solid arm off a person. But then again, exploding gas should have more momentum than a flying Deidera.

[masterofwee]

man i felt sooo sorry for Deidara, still fighting even with no arms. i would have loved to see a strategic battle between Deidara and Naruto+Kakashi in the forest. that would have been awsome.

[Crash]

I don't even know what to say anymore. This fight had great potential and there were so many moments that should have been filled with tension/anticipation/suspense, but they just weren't. Kicking it off with a recap of the clone fight was just a bad mood setter to begin with. I'm sure no ones eyes or ears had yet forgotten the pain inflicted upon them by that episode so there was really no need to remind us

That aside the unveiling of Kakashi's new MS power should have been an awesome moment and in some way's it was. I'll admit seeing Deidara's arm get torn off by it was cool, however the whole thing was severely dulled by the bad special effect they used for it and the fact that they spent about 1/4 of this hour long double episode making us stare at either the bad special effect or kakashi's eye. There should have been more action, more animation of Deidara desperately trying to evade and Kakashi trying to get into position and focus.

Then we have the "fox cloak" moment. This is the first time we've seen Naruto go that berserk since the fight with Sasuke, and this time he's apparently releasing even more of the Fox's chakra yet the whole thing was 100X less impressive. We get one pitiful lunge punch at Kakashi then he effortlessly runs up to naruto and slaps a post-it note on his forehead after saying "i'll have to be really careful". There should have been a whole sequence there of Kakashi trying to evade Naruto's attacks while trying to get that seal on.

The whole thing was just very anticlimactic. It wasn't necessarily a bad episode, it just wasn't a good one either. As far as story is concerned the show is still good, but the execution/presentation is just poor. Where the show should have been amazing, it was instead simply mediocre.

[uhicha neji]

Shippuuden debuted February 2nd, 2007. Here we are, October 1st and were STILL in the same arc? 8 months...wow.

[RyougaZell]

Shippuuden debuted February 2nd, 2007. Here we are, October 1st and were STILL in the same arc? 8 months...wow.

Its just one season... what did you expect?

And remember... Chuunin Exams arc took over 60+ eps.
And also add all those no-episode week... like the current two weeks.

[Poochi]

I hope Kakashi says "i'm going to send you to the next dimension!" next time he uses his eye thingy.

Come on, sucking things to other dimensions is pretty out there, even for the Naruto universe.

[Kraco]

Come on, sucking things to other dimensions is pretty out there, even for the Naruto universe.

Where does those building sized summoned frogs, snakes, snails and other beasts come from? I always thought it was other dimension(s). It seems somewhat unlikely they normally live in the very same world as all the humans. So, if my theory here is correct, then sending people (or parts of them) forcibly to other dimensions isn't actually out there at all.

[Yukimura]

The chuunin exams story was essentially two arcs the first two exams plus the elimination tournament (20-51), then Naruto's training with Jiraiya, the finals tournament, and the attack on the village (52-79).

Instead of weeks it's probably more accurate to look at episodes and chapters. I'm not sure how long the Chuunin Exams took in the manga, but to date Shippuuden has covered only 2 more chapters than it has had episodes numbers. That means on average each episode contains one 60th more plot than a manga chapter stretched for about 2-3 times as long as it takes to carefully read a chapter.

Put back into weeks, there have been 34 Thursdays since Naruto Shippuuden first aired (2-15-07). If one assumes a manga chapter came out every week then the manga advanced the plot to the same point as the anime in 2 fewer weeks. If you look at it this way I can't really see how it's not atrocious.

[AbstractTheorem]

I can't really see how it's not atrocious.

Was about to post a similar rundown and then I scrolled own a little bit and see that you already did it... only thing you left out was a little bit of a more direct comparison to the original naruto.

Original Naruto normally used 2 chapters (sometimes 3 to a episode) you can see a comparison at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Naruto_story_arcs I cannot find the original comparison I found a long time ago (I used it to figure out how far the manga would have to get inhead of the cartoon to allow 2 seasons without catching up)
This list instead of making a per episode comparison .. just compares the arcs, it does a good enough job to see the point tho.

as Yukimura said

...to date Shippuuden has covered only 2 more chapters than it has had episodes numbers...

Its hard to draw a direct comparison between the manga and the episodes though; as a general rule of thumb a more detailed manga usually translates into less airtime (i.e. detailed fights which span 2-3 episodes in the show were usually 2-3 times the length of manga issues).

The chapters in the manga even go slower at this point... so they took chapters which didn't cover a lot of information, and spread them out roughly 1/2 the speed of original naruto.... yeah Shipuuden is movin' along at the blazing speed of a love child of a Sloth and a Snail.

[Genma]

So... my friend told me about this episode a few days ago, and he was like, "Wow... Naruto has really gone down the shitter. I couldn't believe what I was seeing." Now, after watching one-third of the episode (skipping through pointless plot parts, since I read the manga) I have to agree 100%. I actually think Shippuden is equally as bad as the fillers... because seriously, manga readers are starting to realize how much they're butchering it.

Let's begin with Deidara. To start, Kakashi used MS not once, not twice, BUT THREE TIMES against him. Correct me if I'm wrong... but in the manga, uh, didn't he only use it once before passing out? Plus... it wasn't a black hole, it was more like an explosion. And in the manga... geeze, it didn't blow off BOTH of his arms, did it?

Then they made Team Gai look like a bunch of pansies, despite having two Jounins and two Chuunins in their team. And then... oh god, I couldn't believe it, Deidara pulled a suicide bomber and then his explosion was absorbed in the MS.

I stopped watching right there. Can't believe this... after all the wait for Shippuden, not only do they drag episodes on forever, they add plot hole fillers as well.

[Crash]

Plus... it wasn't a black hole, it was more like an explosion. And in the manga... geeze, it didn't blow off BOTH of his arms, did it?

It didn't blow off both his arms in the anime, he only had one at the start of the fight. He lost the other when he fought Gaara.