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    Yeah... I'm also afraid she won't. After all, if she did, Tieria would probably finally snap for good and place a bullet into Setsuna's skull. And that would be bad. The overly unbalanced power distribution is the only thing I don't like in this series and so far Setsuna has been the only one trying to right that wrong with his idiocy. So, it would be bad if he was gone, because the CB would be even more powerful without him.

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    So I guess everyone thinks that Setsuna is the greatest idiot ever for revealing that he is a gundam meister. I would have hesitated to agree, until he jhad topop his face in front of the princess inside the plane again. Granted, he might not know she is there, but if he did, it is like confirming his identity.

    Does the princess really not believe him? Or is she just in denial, thinking that the conflict from before (from which she feels guilt) is a key part of the current CB fiasco (which she despises)?
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    If she was in denial of anything, it would be that he is from...whatever that region was called and is in CB. Earlier, she was discussing all manner of politics with her secretary Shirin, like everyone else they pondered using CB, and if they were righteous or not. Confirmation that he's from the extremist region that her country had a long-term conflict with, and eventually engulfed (think Tibet and China) is something she's very afraid of. It's like saying, "CB is certainly a confirmed terrorist organization, and they will definitely annihilate my country."

    That of course, is outright confirmed by Setsuna, who says that if the current conflict in Azadistan doesn't end, CB will come. Knowing who he is and where exactly he's coming from makes Marina really worried. Disbelief that things could suddenly get so much worse for her country from a chance meeting on the street.


    As for CB intelligence operations, I didn't think they were that unbelievable. CB is apparently an enormously funded organization, having the Gundams in the first place. They also operate through cells. We've only been familiar with military edge. The Meistars and the crew of the Ptolemaios. We've seen Alejandro (whatever the hell he does) and Liu-Mei (financial backer and apparently high in the inner administration). That's it. As Tieria pointed out, it's not for them to know what most of the others do. Classic cell organization.

    Informants stay quiet and pass things on to Liu-Mei and she in turn suggests where a strike should be made. We've seen that Sumeragi, the head strategist, chooses what missions to go ahead with that provide the highest gain (or priority) for the lowest (or acceptable risk).

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    Makes sense. That makes the princess really weak though. Im not sure if I like it or not yet.
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    Another way to look at it.

    Whoever chose Setsuna as the pilot for Exia already predicted that he is going to reveal the secret and chose him for that exact reason.

    I have always believed that the CB play the role of a scapegoat and will eventually be the target of Earth hatred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu
    As for CB intelligence operations, I didn't think they were that unbelievable. CB is apparently an enormously funded organization, having the Gundams in the first place. They also operate through cells.
    Well, if we assume that's the case. However, that would also mean the major powers' intelligence agencies would have a long time ago been aware of them, probably much before the first public Gundam appearance. You can't have a vast, efficient and well funded organization and then just say it's also totally invisible. That would assume the traditional intelligence services would be much worse in the future than they are now, which is very doubtful because automated, electronic means become better all the time. Just look how quickly they revealed everything about that terrorist organization behind the low level bombings. That tells just how efficient the agencies are. It should be a piece of cake for them to find the CB.

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    But that's the beauty of a cell organization like CB. Isolated agents scattered around nearly everywhere. You might find one, but since they may only know how to contact one or two others in the entire organization, there's never an idea of how big the organization they belong to really is, much less what it actually is called.

    The terrorists were not a tightly guarded secret. Everyone knew where their old abandoned bases had been as soon as they found out who it was. CB has been planning their creation and first public appearances for apparently a century.

    Granted, this is a Gundam series, so some suspension of disbelief is required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    It should be a piece of cake for them to find the CB.
    Well, whether it was a piece of cake or not, we'll hopefully find out, but the HLR certainly find their flagship next ep. I'm not sure that it'll be that much of a pushover again, with just Lockon defending, from what we see, and the title "No one is omnipotent." They'll still win, seeing Lockon on the ground again from the preview, but it'll be a bit of a shock for the crew, it's probably their first attack, and the ship looks to have no offensive capabilities on it at all, save for the gundams.

    You'd definitely have your doubts if someone you saved on the streets says to you "I am Gundam." You'd think he's a bit looney.(not wrong).

    Marina is always discussing their energy issues with countries from the AEU. That rules out my initial guess that Setsuna and her were from or near the former Sri Lanka area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
    That rules out my initial guess that Setsuna and her were from or near the former Sri Lanka area.
    The fact they spoke so feverishly of A god and the surroudings looked like desert with buildings like that were pretty sure signs of it being somewhere in the Middle East. I never understood that whole Sri Lanka guess at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    The fact they spoke so feverishly of A god and the surroudings looked like desert with buildings like that were pretty sure signs of it being somewhere in the Middle East. I never understood that whole Sri Lanka guess at all...
    I initially thought he was from there because of how he reacted in that intervention, and that the mobile suits from one side were the same model as the one that attacked him. But then I thought that it could have been the resemblance of the suits that set him off. That was my guess after watching ep2, and only ep2. I hadn't thought about the matter until he met Ali, and since I've thought he was from the Middle East. This ep just fortified that idea. I just thought I'd post that.

    I'm still thinking about whether Setsuna is really wondering where Ali's God is, or if it's just sarcasm. He's clearly stated that he believes there is no god in this world, in ep 1 and this one, but that may only be to him. He may have truely believed that a god existed in Ali's world, and wondered where his beliefs lie now. Alternatively, he could have already known that Ali was just a mercenary, and that he's only in it for money. One thing I think is certain is that he's angry with Ali for tricking him into killing his parents since he's convinced there's no god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    The fact they spoke so feverishly of A god and the surroudings looked like desert with buildings like that were pretty sure signs of it being somewhere in the Middle East. I never understood that whole Sri Lanka guess at all...

    I thought they were Sri Lankan too, but the places that they named as their homes were in the middle east, and also Setsuna is Kurdish, which should allay any other doubts about it.

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