The "is Naruto an idiot?" thread

[February]

I seriously think Naruto deserved most of the battles he fought, the only one that I totally don't accept is the one where he fights Kakuzu

Naruto just happens to learn a powered-up rasengan that couldn't and manages to land a hit on Kakuzu using a kage bunshin diversion (Kakuzu at this point already knew Naruto could make kage bunshins)
and Kakuzu who survived several generations, uses all elements of high level, is fooled by Naruto's kage bunshin just because it was holding another rasengan?
This match was seriously bs

[KCMmmmm]

I seriously think Naruto deserved most of the battles he fought, the only one that I totally don't accept is the one where he fights Kakuzu

Naruto just happens to learn a powered-up rasengan that couldn't and manages to land a hit on Kakuzu using a kage bunshin diversion (Kakuzu at this point already knew Naruto could make kage bunshins)
and Kakuzu who survived several generations, uses all elements of high level, is fooled by Naruto's kage bunshin just because it was holding another rasengan?
This match was seriously bs

I completely agree with you on this one. Kakuzu never struck me as a genius, but he should have been familiar enough with deceptive ninja techniques to prepare himself for that one.

I know Naruto has used some intelligent strategies, however he always pulls out the same trick first before implementing his strategy - a trick which never works. Blindly attacking an enemy is not a smart move, and the notion that he is doing it to gain info is not entirely valid, since he was doing this well before he realized that his defeated shadow clones dispersed their gained knowledge.

That battle was the worst piece of crap I've ever seen not just because Neji went easy on him but because he won by digging a hole in the ground and attacking Neji from underground if it was Sasuke and the Sharingan I would've have given it to him but it was the Byakugan. WTF?

I definitely liked Naruto's strategy against Neji. At that point of the battle, Neji was completely worn out, and didn't wish to spend his last energy pulling out Byakugan when it seemed clear that his enemy was defeated. Still, one good strategy isn't enough (in my opinion) to rectify using the same ineffective strategies in every battle.

That's why I really like Shikamaru; he may not be very strong, and his endurance - or chakra capacity - may suck, but he's able to win by using superior strategies against nearly every opponent. Definitely a cool character. And when you pair him with a powerhouse like Naruto, they could become unstoppable.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

I completely agree with you on this one. Kakuzu never struck me as a genius, but he should have been familiar enough with deceptive ninja techniques to prepare himself for that one.

I know Naruto has used some intelligent strategies, however he always pulls out the same trick first before implementing his strategy - a trick which never works. Blindly attacking an enemy is not a smart move, and the notion that he is doing it to gain info is not entirely valid, since he was doing this well before he realized that his defeated shadow clones dispersed their gained knowledge. ...

Actually, by initially attacking blindly with his shadow clones, Naruto lowers his enemies' guard. They automatically think this kid is stupid, so they are surprised when he comes up with a deceptive side attack later on. So whether Naruto does this on purpose or not, it does work.

[February]

Actually, by initially attacking blindly with his shadow clones, Naruto lowers his enemies' guard. They automatically think this kid is stupid, so they are surprised when he comes up with a deceptive side attack later on. So whether Naruto does this on purpose or not, it does work.

It also shows his opponents that Naruto excels at making Kage Bunshins, Naruto wastes some chakra, and shows his opponents that Naruto is a close-combat type of ninja.

Therefore, the opponent, who might lower his guard, also expects kage bunshin tactics from Naruto (who almost always need them for anything) , and are willing to make distance between him and Naruto to engage in long range combat.

Initially attacking blindly with shadow clones don't always make enemies think Naruto is stupid. It might be a stupid thing to do, but it doesn't always work the other way around. Smart ninjas are always prepared for tricks, diversions, and deceptions.

[shinta|hikari]

Agreed.

Naruto is simply inconsistent, and if seen in general, a very poorly written, illogical character.

[Abdula]

That is my problem with Naruto not only does Kishi have him using the same strategy he was using since the first episode/chapter but he keeps finding bs ways for it to work against opponents Naruto shoudln't be able to touch. I get that Naruto is the main character and that he inevitably will have him defeating insanely strong opponents but atleast he could make Naruto and his battles look good in the process.

Oh and Neji had the byakugan on at that point in the battle which is why I complained about it so much.

I seriously think Naruto deserved most of the battles he fought, the only one that I totally don't accept is the one where he fights Kakuzu

Naruto just happens to learn a powered-up rasengan that couldn't and manages to land a hit on Kakuzu using a kage bunshin diversion (Kakuzu at this point already knew Naruto could make kage bunshins)
and Kakuzu who survived several generations, uses all elements of high level, is fooled by Naruto's kage bunshin just because it was holding another rasengan?
This match was seriously bs

I felt the same way, since that battle began I knew Kishi would pull something out his ass and make Naruto somehow defeat Kakuku but he really did a bad job there. Not only because he made a badass charater like Kakuku, who had survived for god knows how long he was alive, look like a complete idiot but because the combined efforts of Kakashi and Shikamru's team only took away 2 of Kakuzu lives but Naruto could finish him off in on go. All he did was come it and start rasenganing as usual and not only did he make Kakuzu look like a complete fool but he made Kakashi, Shikamaru and their team look completely useless.

in alot of ways he is a textbook idiot but he has his own style and comes up with some great ideas.

All time favorite is when he pwns kabuto w\ rasangen by letting him stab his hand so that he can hold him still. I have watched that over and over, its classic.

I think I'll add what your leaving out from that battle. Kabuto purposely took the hit from the rasengan because he knew he would be able to heal any damage he took and because it allowed him to inflict an attack on Naruto that if not for Tsunade would have been fatal.

Oh and even idiots come with some good ideas at times especially when they are desperate. That is what makes them and idiot, they aren't stupid they just rarely use their brains. Do you know what the buddy system is. lol

[DDBen]

First off I don't feel Naruto is an idiot but I do feel that Naruto as well as most of the characters are largely underdeveloped in the series as a whole.

Seriously if a Hokage is suppose to know over a thousand techniques and the 4th was what under 30 when he became Hokage? Gara is what 16-17 or so? Anyway the simple fact that all of the Ninja's in Naruto rely on so few techniques in general bugs me more then any individual battle with Naruto. Seriously have Naruto train for years one on one with a legendary ninja and when he comes back he's learned next to nothing new? All of the others learned maybe one or two new techniques as well over that time period when they all should have a good 100 new techniques of any sort that have been learned.

I just think something along the line of having everyone know some more basic techniques or in general a collection of more advanced techniques would go a very long way in most of these fight. There was a LONG time skip Kishi should have no problem justifying a bit more variety in his ninja's instead of having all of them be one trick ponies who get a lot better at that one trick as things go on.

This goes for just about EVERYONE in the series.

So essentially I think its less about Naruto specifically being a moron and more about all of the main ninja's being overall underdeveloped.