From what I get, and if I am any near right, Sasukes Ace Card is The Cursed Seal and we all know that if your going to be something in the Naruniverse you need atleast a set of eyes...
So, what I see it's alwasy been eyes against everything so Kishi probably needed an annoying plot-hole to make this work.
If the upcoming chapters continues walking the path it is doing now, it seems that Sasuke>Itachi....
...but maybe something will supriese me.
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crapping up...
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never let go, never let go... <3
@ DDBen: Okay I guess I misunderstood. Oh and to be able to turn someone else's genjutsu against them I would expect that there has to be a huge disparity between the level of the two users like with Itachi and Kurenai. I doubt that could happen with Sasuke and Itachi.
Since you mentioned the curse seal when I was reading this chapter one thing was bothering me. To break out of the technique Sasuke went CS2 within the genjutsu much like when Naruto tried to break out of Itachi's genjutsu before by using some of the Kyuubi's chakra. So does what the victim of the jutsu do within the jutsu really matter because I would expect that Sasuke himself would have transformed at that point but it doesn't appear that he did.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
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Well its a illusion I'm not even sure you need to be able to do the jutsu you use during it in real life in the first place. It would stand to believe you only have to imagine you can do it for it to happen in a genjutsu.Originally Posted by Abdula
This is however exactly the kind of thing that bothers me. At curse seal level 2 I can at least imagine that Sasuke has managed to shorten the gap to Itachi's overall power but he's got him almost falling over when he's not even using curse seal level 1. Thats what seems absurd were talking about him beating Sasuke without even using a 3rd of his power and Itachi has to get serious to even keep from losing at his best skill with the MS? Come on thats just moronic. For Sasuke to not die to Diedara he had to go curse seal level 2, Summon Orochimaru's best summon and phase out of the dimension yet with Itachi he just stands there and stares at him.
I don't even see a reason for Itachi to be in this fight considering Sasuke lacks MS in the first place. Considering Kakashi leveled up someone else's Sharingen. But sasuke isn't full grown and one would imagine you can't transplant eye's of different sizes that easily you know empty space and all. So really when it comes down to it why is Itachi fighting in the first place if Sasuke's eye's are still worthless? The only reasonable explanation is his eye's have gotten so bad he will be blind without a transplant and thats likely why Sasuke will win this fight. Of course if that happens Sasuke likely won't kill itachi and Mandara will come and take Itachi's eye's to restore is EMS being Itachi claims he's a shell of his former self and its pretty likely he needs new eye's.
True I believe I mentioned this a few chapters back but the only reason I think Itachi is fighting Sasuke is because his eyes have deteriorated to the point where he doesn't have a choice but to take Sasuke's now whether he has MS or not.
As far as Sasuke seemingly owning Itachi while he struggled with Deidara I suppose the big difference is that with Deidara that was a physical battle where as with Itachi its a mental battle. Much like when Sasuke fought Oro he lost the physical battle but when it came right down to sheer will power he was able to overcome him.
Well I'm looking forward to the next chapter hopefully we will get a proper explanation there, at the very least we will see Itachi get serious for the first time.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
Guh, I hate chapters that you could totally skip and it'd have really no effect on the upcoming ones. This was a pretty prime example of that... 18 pages that basically led up to "hohoh, young brother, i underestimated you and now i'll go super saiyan 4."
Worst chapter I've read in a long time. And I've always hated the sharingan and Sasuke especially... so I just wish this stupid fight would end.
Ok before i say any thing about this chapter i wanna say that [B]some[B][ of our gotwoot members write too f%ckin much. its soo dishearting to want to join a conversation when there are such long winded comments. Please just leave a little comment. God forbid we dont touch on everylittle nuance of these 17 pg chapters.
Anyways the uchihas blow. This why they're all dead. because they look at eachother the wrong way, Zetsu is sooo bored that is play by play is wittled down to "OOh fierce stare from uchiha 1! UH OH Uchiha 2 battles back with a grimace to break the fierce stare!! This one is really heating up."
COME ONE KISAME V SUIGETSU!!! Or madara v Leaf Village
Edit: fierce
God forbid some of us like to engage in intelligent, open-minded, and well-thought-out conversation and debate.
Gotwoot has, for the most part, pretty intelligent members. Simply posting something like "Hey, cool chapter." doesn't really require a forum or do it any justice. We enjoy theories, opinions, and predictions, as well as discussing the philosophies, which exist in the manga. We also enjoy picking apart and criticizing all of those things.
Yes, some posts can drag on a bit, but if you don't feel like reading it, then skip it. Its a lot better than if nobody ever had anything to say.
I understand all who didn't liked this chapter. But what have you expected to? A Taijutsu or Ninjutsu fight? We have 2 mighty (Well, there are only 4 alive) sharingan-guys whos greatest weapon the Genjutsu is.
And i don't think this "arc" will end in the next 2 chapters. So there must come up something great in this fight. It wouldn'd make sense to put a lame end like this to a such large story-arc.
The thing with MS > Sharingan should only apply for the "standarts" of this 2 eyes. Maybe Sasuke made (with his hate, CS2 and maybe more...) his own unique eyes which surpass the normal sharingan. So maybe the difference between Sasukes and Itachis eyes isn't that huge now. And does MS needs a lot of chakra? In my opinion Sasuke could has more chakra than Itachi. And with that he can break the Tsukuyomi.
Deidara vs Sasuke ---> long range fighter vs Genjutsu and Ninjutsu (or what is his style?) fighter
Itachi vs Sasuke ---> Sharingan vs Sharingan
I doubt you can compare these 2 fights.
Dont fucking double post
-Assassin
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True Deidara was designed to defeat Itachi.
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Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
True but Deidara also knew he had no chance of beating Itachi and Sasuke came very close to death in order to defeat Deidara about 24 hours ago or so. So him effortlessly beating Itachi at his specialty seems absurd.
The timespan between Deidara and Itachi battles are irrelevant....it's assumed that, with oro's power, Sasuke had completely recovered by the time he confronted Itachi....with the exception of his left wing.
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Itachi: "How did you break out of my genjutsu?!"
Sasuke: "Because I hate you!"
Yeah, I can see why people aren't satisfied with the outcome of this chapter.
Still, we've all been reading this manga long enough to know that MS is Kishi's cop-out technique. Anything that has occurred that has had any type of shock value involving Itachi has always turned out to be an illusion. We should just continue to expect much of the same from Kishi until he gives us a reason to expect something different by finally showing us something real.
If Kishi wanted to, he could kill off Itachi right here, bring him back years later, and simply chalk his death up to a MS illusion.
As far as this chapter goes...
"An expert with a stone can still beat a novice with a shuriken."
That may be true, but Itachi is certainly no novice. So it really doesn't apply here or provide a valid explanation for Sasuke defeating Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
I'm not a fanboy of Itachi or Sasuke (or a fan of either at all really) and I don't have a problem with Sasuke winning (to this point). I would just like some better explanations and plot devices.
Hang on a second, did Itachi just lose an eye?
Edit: OK no he didn't.
A lame chapter story wise. Itachi should have whooped Sasuke's ass.
"a child with EMSharingan has the ability to copy movements, hypnotize the human and monster mind alike, shoot hell's flame from his mouth, create mini black holes, make a bitch from the greatest demon alive and also to..."
"but a master with a rock could beat him"
can't see it happenning, sorry.
this chapter is basically the same thing as the earlier one, Itachi is about to pull out a move that will shock and amaze us. they should really get on with this.
Zetsu uses 'we' to speak, which is always cool, and also displays his cullinary taste, which is better.
also, did Itachi lose his eye? did anyone lose thier eye? does sharingan work in darkness? if so, is it vunrable to Solar flare?
Quick question:
I'm not always up to speed on the exact names of all the jutsus, but have we actually seen Itachi use Amaterasu before or is this something new?
The name is familiar, but I can't think of when we may have seen it.
yes we did, it was a long time ago when he fled from Jiraiya's hungry frog's stomach.
It happened after the fight Itachi Kisame vs Kurenai Kakashi Asuma Gai
supposdly, it's the black flame tha ate through jiraya's frog prison of internals organs.
it's good, but i've never thought it to be a bigger deal than tsukiyomi, guess i was wrong.
Ah ok, I knew the name was familiar.
So it seems we will finally get to see the actual jutsu as opposed to just the flaming aftermath.
I hope the information Jiraiya gathered when he sealed the flames in the scroll will come into play here.
It is highly unlikely for Sasuke to get a hold of info gathered by Jiraiya on this one, sorry.
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