out of the FSN-Anime thread

Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu
Spoiling from an anime point of view, but whatever, his identity was heavily implied by seeing Rin's jewel when he faded. Archer exists from an alternate reality in the future. He, unlike Saber, is not a fluid entity. He is a holy spirit from the future, and any events in his past are unchangable. It may seem that he is, but that is only because he participated in this set of events. What happened to him happened, he remains consistent through all three arcs of the game.
I've got a few questions here... my memory of the game is a bit blurry... I don't know what happened in HF, but I'm talking about UBW and the Fate route here.

Didn't Archer/Shirou join the Grail War because he wanted to become a hero? If I remember correctly, he wanted to help and save people forever and thus made a contract with the Grail... it would grand him more powers so he could become a superhero, but in return Shirou hast to fight in the Holy Grail Wars after his life ended.. so far I'm right, or am I not.

However Shirou soon realised that he can't save everyone and that his contract with the Holy Grail was a mistake.... I think at one point it was mentioned that people "betrayed" him... but I can't remember what exactly happened there (some help please? ^^).. he couldn't save everyone, because if you help someone, there is always one who can't be helped and such.

So when he joined the Holy Grail War, he hoped to find his past-self and kill it to create a "Time Paradox".. he would never have made the contract and so on. In UBW he succeeds (well he fails at the end but he got far) with his plans, while in the Fate route he dies against Berserker...

however I'm not sure whether the Archer in Fate and in UBW are the same.. characterwise. Archer in UBW seemed a lot stronger than in Fate :/.. so I' don't know if he really tried his best in "Fate" and accepted his old past very early in the route (in UBW he only realised it in the very end shortly before he died)

soooo:
Two of the arcs he persists in saying, "It won't happen again," while in another, he very noticably shifts to "It is happening again." If you complete enough of the bad endings in that arc, you also learn exactly which one it is, as it says it plain as day.
Could you PM me or write here without trying to hide spoilers? I don't exactly get what you mean... I know that in UBW when he was fighting shirou, the game says something like "When Archer saw his determined eyes he got reminded of his old self... he remembered that his life wasn't wrong and that it wasn't a mistake to live for justice" (or so :P)... so my guess is you were talking about that when you said "while in another, he very noticably shifts to "It is happening again." "

but what do you mean with "If you complete enough of the bad endings in that arc, you also learn exactly which one it is, as it says it plain as day." in that context?
and with "it won't happen again" in the other two arcs?

also
Saber destroeyed the holy grail this time
I always wondered: Couldn't Archer obtain the holy grail and wish his past to be done?

and if that doesn't work:
Couldn't he simply destroy it and it would have the same effect as killing shirou?
becuase if the Grail is destroyed, there won't be any more Grail Wars... and no Grail.. Shirou could never make a contract with the Grail and thus he wouldn't have to suffer so much.

Or is it more like he is annoyed by his past-self, thinks lowly of himself (at least at first) and wants to end his miserable existence?

edit: and just to be sure if I remember it correctly, he didn't kill Shirou from the first second he saw him, because he hoped he would turn out different with the clues he gives them throughout the story... like "you can't save everyone".. "you can't win without killing and only danger other people" etc.?