Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2

[enkoujin]

Who are the "black knights" you are referring to. 100 foot soldiers and a general from japan? They don't need to rebuild anything nor reorganize. Japan is a very small island with a very small population. The only reason they got so far on their own was because of a few gundams and zero's mastermind/geass.

There are little need for "foot soldiers" in the Order of the Black Knights. The only time I actually saw "foot soldiers" were those who first appeared in the debut at the hotel, and those who actually guarded the Chinese Federation embassy. There is more priority for KnightMare pilots and internal operations type of work. I don't know what you consider a "small population", but if Zero had managed to gather one million people to be exiled to the United States of Japan in such a short amount of time, it makes me doubt your idea of a "small population". A one-million people army and workers is enough to do some damage as a "terrorist" organization.

No.... they aren't... Zero is the leader.

Zero is indeed their leader, but it does not relatively make sense how one person can coordinate millions of people for the operations of absolutely everything. How about we take today's President of the United States, strip him of all his secretaries, aides, and ambassadors, and then tell him to take over the tasks of everyone in the organization?

Kallen, Jeremiah, and probably Raksha as well are the only useful members from japan (besides Todou and the other two remaining swordsmen who weren't really that helpful anyway) and they still remain loyal to Zero. I say Raksha because I doubt she cares much about Euphie. All she really seems to care about is make stronger knightmares, take down brittannia, and beat her rival the Duke/Count or whatever he was.

All other members who hold immediate power are not from japan, such as xing-ke who also probably could care less about Euphie, and even if he did, he still has the intelectual capability to first ask Zero for his reasons.

You're forgetting that Todou and his division of the Black Knights have major contributions to the organization. If Toudou leaves, so goes most of the former members of the (nationalistic) Japan Liberation Front.

Put yourself in Xing-Ke's position, without extensive knowledge to Euphie's massacre. Then, you find out from Zero's closest allies that Zero was responsible for the massacre for the people he's fighting for. Xing-Ke is rather chivalrous - just as Suzaku with high moral ground. When Zero had betrayed him by abducting the Tianzi, he was flushed with anger, for his [Zero] dirty and sly tricks. It should also be the same as applied there to the massacre.

Zero doesn't need to recruit anybody... He has half the world following him.

No, he doesn't. The reason as Buffalobiian said, was for oppression against Britannian colonialism and/or imperialism. They just had a recent agreement to join in a collective force to oppose Britannia, but need some assurance whether they are able to or not. The prime stage was set on Japan. If Japan could be liberated, then any country would be able to be liberated as well. Now with the internal rebellions inside the organization, they would lose confidence in the Order of the Black Knights, and pull out of the UN.

What elite BK members? Todou, 2 swordsmen, and a camera man?

What military might? 100-300 foot soldiers?

Zero is a traitor? So he's surrendering his army to reclaim his own country not caring about the rest of the world?

Aforementioned about Toudou above again. Diethardt is VERY important in the organization. He and his division of the organization are basically hackers of broadcasting. Without media attention and propaganda, how do you expect an organization to flourish and continue its hold on its own members? Strong example of this is by Goebbels, the propaganda minister of the NAZI's in the 1930-1940's. Look how strong he held together Nazi Germany together. Censorship and propaganda is very effective, proven by modern society; changes the way we think about an event or an idea.

It is irrelevant who they "believe". They will follow the person who has performed many miracles and is very capable AND willing to take down brittania and fight oppression. I very much doubt they will follow cowards who betray the entire BKE to have their own country back, not caring what happens to the rest of the world.

Evidence of what? Geass? All the better, zero has an ability which gives the BKE a large advantage. Who cares if he can turn on/brainwash them in the future? They know that they want brittannia taken down, and Zero is the only one who can help them do it.

Once it's been revealed that Zero is actually the son of Charles, it's all over for Lelouch. Pictures of him when he was young, the pictures of him in the academy, and the pictures of the secret "laboratory" hidden in the academy, and the fact that Lelouch is missing when big OBK organizations are occuring might be enough proof otherwise. You're also being very ignorant about the fact of fear of the supernatural. In the eyes of ordinary politicians, or even citizens - would you want to work or be lead by a person who can mind control you? Just look at Tamaki when he learned that Zero could have been mind controlling him the whole time.

Most of the world does not care much about Euphie... And again, many have the intelect to listen to Zero's side of the story rather than Britannia's which is obviously propaganda. I doubt the entire world will give up their fight for freedom and take out the only man capable of leading them because he killed a little princess and a few japanese.

Yes, the people around the world do care. If there's an event of genocide in any part of the world, who wouldn't worry? You're forgetting the importance of high positions here. If you were the leader of a country, and one of your diplomats got killed, you would certainly give a damn about it(especially if they were your own family). You're clearly forgetting a very important fact that Britannia is a POWERFUL FASCIST empire - militaristic just as that of any dictatorship government. They rule with an iron fist, especially with the propaganda and censored news.

They would not be confused or uncoordinated. They would follow whoever can lead them to victory. The other party offering to surrender makes it even easier to choose Zero.

As far as coordination, zero helped kallen and some wanna-be terrorists take out a large fleet of advanced-at-the-time knightmare frames within minutes. Coordination will not be a problem.

Coordination is hard now. Zero's identity has been revealed, and Lelouch now, has absolutely no security. No country will want to take in a ringleader of a terrorist group, who has been revealed to be a hypocritical, and a dangerous phoney (except maybe Australia).


lelouch, your arguments are valid, but you base too much on assumption and rely too heavily on Lelouch. If Lelouch couldn't handle leading the entire organization solely by himself or stopping his organization's own internal conspiracies and affairs then how do you expect him to lead a coalition of countries by himself?

Plus, your new abbreviations (OBK - Original Black Knights, BKE - Black Knight Empire) are too confusing, as the original abbreviation for OBK is the Order of the Black Knights, and there was no indication of any "Black Knight Empire", for it is the UN, a semi-supranational organization who have not given up any sovereignty, but to simply devote their military towards the UN to fight against Britannia.