Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2

[enkoujin]

If the new FLEIJA was bombed on Pendragon... does it mean they killed Oddyseus and the rest of the royal family?

Most likely, unless the Royal Family was troop-training elsewhere but the capital city of Britannia.

Suzuku is too pussy to fight Bismark IRL but he will fight him behind 3 tons of metal protection. Go figure.

Lancelot Albion is the newest upgrade of the Lancelot. It totally outmaneuvered and overpowered Bismarck's Galahad. That was why Suzaku had enough confidence to beat Bismarck. If Lelouch's "live" command on Suzaku forces him to do anything to stay alive, Suzaku will do it. Because Bismark was way too strong in terms of physical strength, Suzaku had to run away (otherwise, he would have been slained).

You think that most of the town would have been evacuated before the first FLEIA? Or did it all happen to fast to evacuate everyone? I mean if there is a massive arms battle happening on top of a town..

I don't believe there was an evacuation, otherwise, if there was, Nina wouldn't have felt so guilty for killing so many people that were Britannian.

I still don’t get how the king and Marriane were “defeated”.

Basically, Lelouch geass'd the "will of mankind" to "stop the progress of time". I wouldn't want to go deeply into this, but what I think is that Charles and Marianne were trying to freeze the entire physics of how the entire world worked, bringing people who have died back to life. In this time when "time" has stopped, they would assume everyone would be equal, and there would be no lies, as since they think that lies is what makes people unequal, and allow them to continue time.

I wouldn't bother with it.

About Schneiz. You guys were commenting about him being a ‘good’ or bad guy. I can’t say that he is necessarily either, at least on the standards you guys are setting for him. Of course we have yet to know any “true” ambitions for him other than the fact that he’s just acting in Brittania’s/world/his interest (not unlike everyone else).

He's a bad guy, if not, the second antagonist of the series. He was always an formidable advesery to be reckoned with by Lelouch ever since they were children. Not only that, he intends to change the world in an idea that conflicts that of Lelouch. Schneizel intends to change the world according to what he wants, that's all he's after.

He's just using people as pawns, not unlike Zero did, which explains why he doesn't give a damn who dies.

Shinjuku Ghetto, the first battle where Zero uses each and every soldier like pawns - with the exception that he uses all of them to their highest potential. That's really what differentiates the tactics of Lelouch from Schneizel. Then, there's the battle for the TianZi, and the mecha battle between the OBK and the Knights on episode 17 (despite XingKe leading) using soldiers like pawns. Another guy also said aloud after Lelouch freed the OBK hostages "isn't he just using you guys like pawns?", which is a pretty direct observation of how Lelouch treats his staff.

Nunnaly’s got to be just a tool. Agreed with Enko. No way she would agree to being on Schneiz’s side after he’s just busted out FLEIA.

I am 90% sure that Nunally knows everything about Lelouch. From geass to the OBK-life, from military battles to international politics, from clever assassinations to clever guerilla warfare, from lying to forcing (with the geass), she knows everything (through a Schneizel viewpoint, of course!). The fact that her own brother did not even disclose anything about what he was doing is probably going to be the lame reason why she's going against him.

Lulu should never have forced anything on the UN. I find it pretty unrealistic that the power would've gotten into the head of someone who has a strong resolve and much brilliance this easily.

Then Lelouch wouldn't have gotten anything done faster. Lelouch's way of planning things is quite radical in nature. If you had to wait months just to get something done (like what the rest of the current Security Council spends time doing), then the results won't be as appealing as if you get what you want now. Would you rather wait less than a second for a webpage to load, or would you wait five minutes?

Zero would not have been the leader of the world anyway if things had gone according to plan with him staying with the OBK and the UN.

It would vary depending on the conditions, but the OBK and UN most likely would have lost. The Knight of Rounds diminished some of the OBK's forces quite quickly, with the exception of Xingke, who was at par with Bismarck. There's the fact that Lancelot Albion was already created by then, which as we've seen, is quite ridiculous in power and mobility.

He should have just split his country in 2 or something and joined the UN. By doing so, he would've easily created the peaceful world that nunners wanted, which is the sole reason he became zero in the first place!

Actually, the reason he fought for Nunally was to create a place where he and Nunally could stay safe forever. Sure, Nunally was a pacifist, but since Lelouch had already stained his hands with blood and sin, he couldn't really create a "world of peace" for Nunally. Ryllharu's theory is quite interesting - the Requiem of Zero, the phase which Lelouch and Suzaku are currently working on does sound very accurate with accordance to both their respective psychologies.

Plus, if you were to split your empire, other minorities within your two countries would call for self-determination (or self-sovereignty), which conflicts with Lelouch's plans for world "dictatorship". Because that in turn would generate more countries that Lelouch wouldn't have power over. If Lelouch were to place one of his own geass'd kin or subordinate as the leader of the second split empire, then there would be anger from the UN, because he basically still controls all of Britannia, in a sense. Example of this would be today's Vladmir Putin, who stepped down from Russian President to Russian Prime Minister, but having Medvedev, Putin's subordinate, take the position of President to ensure that Putin still maintains power on all executive levels of government.

Just look at the old maps and past history. One in particular, Soviet Russia, for example, was one of the world's superpowers. But after the collapse of Soviet Russia, a whole bunch of countries (like Hungary, Poland, etc.) that Soviet Russia practically controlled all opted out of being part of the "new Russia". Or China. If China was to split up its country, then the other areas would be calling for independence as well (Tibet, namely).

Lastly, if the UN was going with the democratic process of proportional representation in terms of human population, then Britannia would have the most people, therefore, being able to veto any of the other countries' votes and opinions (majority of the tyranny, anyone?). If the UN was willing to offer Britannia only 20% of the human population (alternatively called a "limited democracy"), there would be outrage from the Britannian community for others not being able to vote, dividing the country into two halves, people who can be counted for voting, and those who cannot. This sets up an elitism type of government, which currently undermines Lelouch's government of an ex-aristocratic system.

The fact that the UN was even negotiating with Britannia were bad ideas. If Lelouch were to join Britannia, disregarding all the previous events that would occur, would still have enemies in the UN, specifically, that of Sumeragi and the OBK (which is the entire organization's military force), which could rebel against Britannia at any time because:

1) Top level staff of the OBK know of Lelouch's identity, with the fact that he has the supernatural power of geass.

2) Many people of the countries will never forgive each other for past atrocities. Best example of this is, and still will be until further notice, the Israeli-Arab conflict in the Middle East.

P.S. Does that chinese girl with the black hair who was leading the UN meeting (I think she is kaguya?) know that lelouch is Zero? Does Xingke?

Yes, she does. Hence, she looked away from Lelouch to avoid being geass'd, although another reason would be that she found out her "self-proclaimed" lover is actually a Britannian. Additionally, she's not Chinese. She's Japanese. The Chinese one is the TianZi, the girl with white hair.

I really need to stop analyzing so deeply.

EDIT: To the person who neg rep'd me, it's not spamming. Spamming is posting repetitively with useless posts that produce no discussion at all, while mine actually answer questions.