Naruto Shippuuden Episode 56

[Abdula]

Actually my reasoning doesn't come from the manga, I spent the last two pages( the last three episode threads aswell) finding evidence to support my theories from the anime. Besides do you realise that the last time I read any of those chapters was well over a year ago so by the time the anime gets around to these things I don't remember any of it. I only reread that one chapter after I read Uchiha Barles' last post and I noticed the differences between what was in the anime and what was in the manga and I subsequently posted them. My posts may seem to have an aggressive tone to it but its just they way they are you shouldn't read anything into it as i have mentioned before.

I'll just ignore what you say about me feeling like I'm being attacked or me not being able to accept other peoples opinions since that is just silly. I'm not a victim and I'm certainly not trying to act like one. Anyway the don't be so dense part was aimed at that one post by Archangel trying to justify that Naruto must be using the Kyuubi's chakra just because of the number of clones he is using and that we aren't seeing either red eyes or red chakra because Yamato is supressing the Kyuubi's chakra when the very thing that signifies that Naruto is using the Kyuubi's chakra is infact the red chakra and the red eyes. I Just find its like saying Goku is using super saiyan powers but he doesn't have either the yellow hair, yellow aura or greenish blue eyes that signifies that he is using it. Thats why I said not to be so dense since there has been a clear precedent established that shows when Naruto is using the Kyuubi's chakra and when he isn't. Like I said I would support anyones theories if there is enough evidence supporting it even if it turns out to be wrong.

I find your perception of me to be quite annoying.

See Archangel, thats why I said I won't post here anymore. I have no idea why I listen to you.

Btw I respectfully disagree with the other stuff you said but I have no interest in arguing semantics at this point.

[KrayZ33]

that we aren't seeing either red eyes or red chakra because Yamato is supressing the Kyuubi's chakra when the very thing that signifies that Naruto is using the Kyuubi's chakra is infact the red chakra and the red eyes.

yes thats true (and I agree with you up to a certain point and I knew you were talking about that, don't worry) but i want to say that,we only see the red chakra if he either uses ninjutsu or when the chakra leaks because he can't control as much as he gets (i guess thats also the reason why the chakra cloak is possible and hurts his whole body?)
there were cases which showed us this, one for example was when he summoned the frog
neither his eyes were red nor did he have fangs or a red chakra surrounding him.. only when he executed the technique his chakra became red. So the chakra he uses becomes red, but we won't see that if he uses Kage bushin (only Neji could prove weither he uses the kyuubi or not)

So no, if he doesn't use a HUGE amount of chakra or remove the seal withing (the scene with the prison etc) his eyes won't turn read. the only time his eyes turn red is when he let the kyuubi take over him, which won't happen because Yamato is there... however naruto is able to drain a fair amount of power from him without starting to loose control.

I think it was even mentioned near the beginning that a big amount of the nine-tails chakra is flowing inside of him

[Naruto_RNG]

wow nobody is talking about kakashi and j-man joining up. Now how sick of team would that be?

as for the eps, It was nice. atleast they didn't show naruto as a total idiot.

[Archangel]

wow nobody is talking about kakashi and j-man joining up. Now how sick of team would that be?

That's because they probably won't have any screen time, joining them up was just an excuse for yamato to lead the team once again.

[Kraco]

wow nobody is talking about kakashi and j-man joining up. Now how sick of team would that be?

Those two won't get any work done. Kakashi working together with his favorite ero-book author? On second thought I correct my statement: They will get research done alright but not quite the kind of research Tsunade had in mind.

[KrayZ33]

They will get research done alright but not quite the kind of research Tsunade had in mind.

i smell a new filler

[SilentSnake]

I got the impression that they were suppresing kyuubi's chakra as well, that's why I gave props to naruto for killing leaf by himself :P

I do disagree with KrayZ33 though, the way Kakashi explained it the number of clones and the ability to maintain them for reasonable amount of time was why naruto can learn so fast.

To validate my point of view watch the ep -> every clone had a slightly different perspective on the problem, that's why there were shown clones cutting it faster and others cutting it slower.

[Uchiha Barles]

I got the impression that they were suppresing kyuubi's chakra as well, that's why I gave props to naruto for killing leaf by himself :P

I do disagree with KrayZ33 though, the way Kakashi explained it the number of clones and the ability to maintain them for reasonable amount of time was why naruto can learn so fast.

To validate my point of view watch the ep -> every clone had a slightly different perspective on the problem, that's why there were shown clones cutting it faster and others cutting it slower.

There's another requirement for the technique, other than being able to make a certain number of clones, and keep them active for the duration of the training. Each clone has to have enough chakra for the training to occur. Sure, Naruto alone has four times more Chakra than kakashi. But he currently has as many clones out as there are leaves in a tree. I mean, how much chakra do you imagine remains in each clone after that much division? My guess would be very little if you only consider the chakra that's proper to Naruto. It just seems to fit that he's in fact using demon chakra. As far as Naruto not displaying the characteristics that we've come to associate with him using the demon chakra, I think KrayZ's speculation could be right, or it could just be an oversight by the anime/manga team.

If he's not using demon chakra, that means that this training is not very chakra intensive, considering the number of clones he has out. But come on, he's trying to master blending his element affinity with his chakra. That sounds chakra intensive to me.

[Abdula]

I don't see it that way since Kakashi made a point of mentioning that using one clone would cut the training in half and two clones would cut it by three etc. The point in the number of clones is that as Kakashi said for Naruto this training would probably take about twenty years so if he uses 1000 clones he should be able to cut it down to about a week. So I still say I don't see any reason why someone else wouldn't be able to use that training on a smaller scale since the required chakra and stamina is proportional to the number of clones.

[Archangel]

I don't see it that way since Kakashi made a point of mentioning that using one clone would cut the training in half and two clones would cut it by three etc. The point in the number of clones is that as Kakashi said for Naruto this training would probably take about twenty years so if he uses 1000 clones he should be able to cut it down to about a week. So I still say I don't see any reason why someone else wouldn't be able to use that training on a smaller scale since the required chakra and stamina is proportional to the number of clones.

Well who's to say they haven't? Kakashi may not have been the first to ever think about this kind of training and even if he was it would be understandable since shadow cloning isn't really a jutsu just anyone can use.

[Sam98034]

Ok so here's the thought I got. Basically, after Naruto dispelled his clones, he became even more exhausted. Not only does he gain their experience, but also their exhaustion. For a normal person, this could be extremely devistating. They could be working out all day with 20 clones and become exhausted. Then they decide to call it a day, dispel the clones...and die. This is why this is a 'forbidden technique.' You can kill yourself without even knowing it by dispelling it. However, this wont really work on Naruto since the kyuubi is so strong it just wont be killed by Naruto's training, and even more so if Naruto is just using *his* chakra. Anyways, this technique can kill a ninja if they overdo it, but the worst it could do to Naruto is bring out the kyuubi, which would then need to be suppressed.
How's that sound?

[Archangel]

Ok so here's the thought I got. Basically, after Naruto dispelled his clones, he became even more exhausted. Not only does he gain their experience, but also their exhaustion. For a normal person, this could be extremely devistating. They could be working out all day with 20 clones and become exhausted. Then they decide to call it a day, dispel the clones...and die. This is why this is a 'forbidden technique.' You can kill yourself without even knowing it by dispelling it. However, this wont really work on Naruto since the kyuubi is so strong it just wont be killed by Naruto's training, and even more so if Naruto is just using *his* chakra. Anyways, this technique can kill a ninja if they overdo it, but the worst it could do to Naruto is bring out the kyuubi, which would then need to be suppressed.
How's that sound?

Actually... that sounds pretty good. That explains both why it's a forbidden jutsu adn why naruto is the only one capable of performing this training.

[Abdula]

Nods head. Sounds good. If Naruto is using his chakra for this training then the only reason why the exhaustion doesn't seem to be affecting him much is because of the recuperative abilities of the Kyuubi which gives Naruto incredible stamina. So If he indeed is using his own chakra then at the rate he is going and since he won't be running out of stamina anytime soon, its safe to assume that he should run out of chakra soon and then we will see the Kyuubi awaken.

Then they decide to call it a day, dispel the clones...and die.

Btw that made me laugh.

[Buffalobiian]

No better place to stick this.

[Nipponsei] NARUTO Shippuuden ED04 Single - Mezamero! Yasei [MATCHY with QUESTION].zip
[Nipponsei] NARUTO Shippuuden ED05 Single - Sunao na Niji [surface].zip

[Kusanagi]

I'm assuming those are the songs that go with the op and the ending?

[Buffalobiian]

I'm assuming those are the songs that go with the op and the ending?

Yes, they're the full version of the 4th and 5th ending themes of Shippuuden

[Archangel]

Thanks Bill, i've been looking for that for a while now

[Buffalobiian]

Thanks Bill, i've been looking for that for a while now

..........Bill?

[Jessper]

..........Bill?

Like Buffalo Bill! (which your name slightly resembles) I think it would be considered a compliment.

I would love the opening song of the current episodes if someone knows where to get it!

[Mizuchi]

ive had the full version of mezamero yasei for quite a long time now, if i know people wanted it i woulda posted =[