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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    I wonder if she could ride before they tried to advertise her as a rider, of if they taught her how to ride to match the image they were trying to sell (ie typical hollywood bs).
    It's a commercial. It's supposed to be full of bs. So, I don't think it really matters. It was probably a real driver doing the driving anyway (as a stuntwoman), not this model - assuming she hadn't already got decent driving skills to begin with, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    It's a commercial. It's supposed to be full of bs. So, I don't think it really matters. It was probably a real driver doing the driving anyway (as a stuntwoman), not this model - assuming she hadn't already got decent driving skills to begin with, of course.
    It's actually a series of commercials featuring this girl, as T-mobile attempts to create an identity for itself through creating an identity for this spokesgirl. The tagline for the newest commercial with her supposedly riding the motorcycle is, "setting the record straight," which makes me think people questioned her authenticity.

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    Clearly a stuntwoman.

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    49cc scooters are allowed on roads (and the sub-50cc engine means you don't need a motorcycle license), they just have to move to the side like any bicycle so they can be easily and safely overtaken. It's not the engine size, it's the lack of lights, turn signals, mirrors, speedometer, and mufflers. Those are the differences between a 200cc dirt-bike and dual-sport.

    You see dual-sports on US highways/interstates all the time.
    I was just being a smartass about lower-powered bikes. I live in a college town so there are plenty of mopeds and scooters on the roads, and some dual-sports too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    It's actually a series of commercials featuring this girl, as T-mobile attempts to create an identity for itself through creating an identity for this spokesgirl. The tagline for the newest commercial with her supposedly riding the motorcycle is, "setting the record straight," which makes me think people questioned her authenticity.
    Yet it still doesn't mean anything as long as they don't use her at exhibitions and such as a booth babe presenting live driving. And since it's a telecommunications company, not any physical traffic/vehicle related one, I don't really see why they would go all out like that with irrelevant stuff. But then again, I've read there's a definite difference between what kind of commercials are most effective over here compared to some other countries, so in the end I could be clueless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Yet it still doesn't mean anything as long as they don't use her at exhibitions and such as a booth babe presenting live driving. And since it's a telecommunications company, not any physical traffic/vehicle related one, I don't really see why they would go all out like that with irrelevant stuff. But then again, I've read there's a definite difference between what kind of commercials are most effective over here compared to some other countries, so in the end I could be clueless.
    She is currently the only established recognizable spokesperson for a major telecom company, so her persona matters for advertising. Of course I realize that most advertising is bs, I was just wondering how much bs was being put into creating this image for her as something more than a vacuous tart.


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    Clearly a stuntwoman.

    @Ani
    49cc scooters are allowed on roads (and the sub-50cc engine means you don't need a motorcycle license), they just have to move to the side like any bicycle so they can be easily and safely overtaken. It's not the engine size, it's the lack of lights, turn signals, mirrors, speedometer, and mufflers. Those are the differences between a 200cc dirt-bike and dual-sport.

    You see dual-sports on US highways/interstates all the time.
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    I like her way better than Catherine Zeta-Jones before her.

    Isn't the whole point of this new campaign to imply T-Mobile's network speed? It's not so much about remaking her image as that is an excuse for the making the marketing connection that, "Dur...motorcycles are fast, our network is fast."

    They were getting shit from AT&T, who constantly claims they have the fastest GSM network (edit: which is true, but they also have the least stable network in the US these days), implying T-Mobile's is much slower. "Test drive our network, it's not slow."
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    I actually found a 40-something Catherine ZJ more attractive and appealing than this chick.

    The point of the campaign was indeed to compare their network speed to a hotrod motorcycle compared to AT&T's service (the suit on the mini bike in the first commercial). But with the second motorcycle commercial, it's apparent they're working on the girl's image as a metaphor for the company's image. So should we believe in T-mobile's advertising about the legitimacy of the girl or their service? Or can we say both suck and are fake?


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    Honestly, whatever works to keep those AT&T assholes from buying T-Mobile is fine by me. They're trying to buy their way out of their overburdened network and steal more spectrum than they deserve rather than building new towers or coming up with a better way to utilize their chosen protocol.

    Secondly, I don't really care what T-Mobile ultimately does because I use Verizon, and my phone is more than 5 years old.

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    Suspense in non-English syntax languages

    Knowing only Conversational English, how does suspense work in languages that are structured different (syntax)?

    By that, I mean that English sentences work pretty simply: subject -- verb -- direct object.
    The killer was [identified as]...the butler!

    But other languages either have a different syntax, or no require syntax. Some place the verb last (pardon my clumsy example):
    The killer the bulter was identified as

    For others (romance languages, etc.), the syntax is defined by the suffixes so order doesn't matter:
    The butler[direct object] killer[subject] was identified as[verb]


    So dear gotwoot members of multiple languages, how does dramatic suspense work when word order does not matter, or the direct object isn't (or isn't required to be) the last word spoken? It makes less impact to pause before revealing the verb.


    [...and apologies for the double post.]

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    It's exactly the same in Dutch and German, and I think in french as well.
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    Filipino usually has the reverse syntax from English.

    "Ang mayordomo ang pumatay."

    Mayordomo = Butler, Pumatay = Killer (well not exactly, but it means that in this sentence)

    But it can be reversed, and is usually done so by younger people who are adept at English, which is the second language in the Philippines.

    "Ang pumatay ay ang mayordomo."

    This form is considered awkward grammar, but it can be used for suspense or comedic purposes where the twist or punchline needs to be said last.
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    Due to the numerous suffixes you can shuffle the word order to your heart's content in Finnish. Some word orders will sound awkward but the message generally stays the same.

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    In polish it is done in the same way:
    "Morderca to... lokaj!'
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    The verb comes last in Japanese too. It's subject, direct object, verb.

    For descriptors, it's subject, verb, such as "I am fat" would be "[I] fat am" where the [I] is not spoken but understood.


    For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?

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    Lately I've been seeing this a lot even on here. I really don't get why people have to shorten everything into an acronym, is it really that hard to type out a few extra letters or use a phase that would help people better understand what you're trying to say? Do they think it makes them look cool or are they just lazy? Maybe it is just me.

    p.s. most of the commercials now are retarded. One that particularly annoys me is the new Geico commercial where they have a taste test for car insurance, how much more unrelated and asinine can you get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonrage View Post
    Lately I've been seeing this a lot even on here. I really don't get why people have to shorten everything into an acronym, is it really that hard to type out a few extra letters or use a phase that would help people better understand what you're trying to say? Do they think it makes them look cool or are they just lazy? Maybe it is just me.
    It depends on the community and the context of the subject. In the Yugioh Trading Card Game (YGO TCG), we definitely see a shit load of acronyms in almost every post, but it's universally understood because it's the language of the game. Most posters will often assume that the audience knows what they're talking about - sometimes forgetting that not all of the audience is from their particular country or even continent.

    I agree with you that it definitely gets annoying, but people get used to it - I mean, remember "LOL"? Yeah, that shit is easy to remember now and is pretty universal on the net after being repeated to nearly infinity. Now you have shit like "IKR", "AFAIK", "OP", etc. and it definitely gets annoying because it's new, ambiguous and shouldn't even be considered as an acronym, but times change. In contrast, readers should also spend the 10 seconds to type it up on Google to see what the phrase means as well.

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    I'm not talking about "Lol", or other Aol; Aim counterparts. I'm talking about very obscure acronyms that can have multiple meaning or it doesn't exists when you google it (I have and it doesn't just take ten seconds). The only person who knows what it means is the person using it. My solutions; consider their opinion void, until they can communicate in a social setting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonrage View Post
    I'm not talking about "Lol", or other Aol; Aim counterparts. I'm talking about very obscure acronyms that can have multiple meaning or it doesn't exists when you google it (I have and it doesn't just take ten seconds). The only person who knows what it means is the person using it. My solutions; consider their opinion void, until they can communicate in a social setting.
    Have you got any examples just so we can see how obscure these acronyms are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Have you got any examples just so we can see how obscure these acronyms are?
    Sure I do. But I rather end this discussions here, because anytime I reply to your comments I have this undying urge to insult you. Which can be quite tedious and counterproductive, so for the sake of civility I choose to leave things as is because it's just an observation, further discussion doesn't change anything and because it is not worth the time and effort.
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    Wow that is crazy extreme. Buff has made many good anime posts or some shit. God I can't even keep this up I don't read the anime forum.

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