Naruto Chapter 412

[Splash!]

He seems pretty quick on his feet but I haven't seen anything yet that would suggest that he is as fast as Sasuke. Even if he is just as fast as Sasuke it doesn't explain how is able to beat Sasuke with his sharingan on. This is the same Sasuke who just a few chapters ago was able to not only follow but keep up with the movements of Itachi who imo, other than the fourth, is the faster character we've seen thus far.

Thats what doesn't make sense to me, it seems as if Sasuke was just playing around before feeling his opponent out and he wasn't even using the sharingan but now he is, so I don't get it. The other thing is, if this guy is that strong now, without transforming or using any of his bijuu abilities, how is Kishi going to explain Hawk defeating him later? I also want to know why Sasuke is using Naruto's battle tactics, I mean since when does he go around charging at his opponents.

Let's not forget that this is the first time we are seeing Sasuke fight after he lost his cursed seal. This is NOT the same Sasuke that fought Itachi. I am sure the seal amplified Sasuke's speed, stamina and chakra. Even though he has gained MS, I don't think he has suddenly acquired the skill to compensate for the seal just yet.

[Uchiha Barles]

That's a really good point, but even so, Sasuke's never been owned like this. I mean to say, Sasuke would pull out the cursed seal power at a point after using his regular sharinagins as a counter to something the enemy would do that happens to overpower him. In this case though, he wouldn't have had that chance. This is more a "dead before you can even use your techniques" kind of scenario.

[Abdula]

Let's not forget that this is the first time we are seeing Sasuke fight after he lost his cursed seal. This is NOT the same Sasuke that fought Itachi. I am sure the seal amplified Sasuke's speed, stamina and chakra. Even though he has gained MS, I don't think he has suddenly acquired the skill to compensate for the seal just yet.

That explains it. I had forgotten about that.

That's a really good point, but even so, Sasuke's never been owned like this. I mean to say, Sasuke would pull out the cursed seal power at a point after using his regular sharinagins as a counter to something the enemy would do that happens to overpower him. In this case though, he wouldn't have had that chance. This is more a "dead before you can even use your techniques" kind of scenario.

Even is Sasuke doesn't activate the curse seal it still enhances his overall stats and it really isn't about whether he was using it or not but having Oro's power to reinforce his normal chakra and stamina makes a huge difference. I think him being without the curse seal is a good enough explanation for why he is getting beaten.

[FullMetalAlchemist]

That explains it. I had forgotten about that.

Even is Sasuke doesn't activate the curse seal it still enhances his overall stats and it really isn't about whether he was using it or not but having Oro's power to reinforce his normal chakra and stamina makes a huge difference. I think him being without the curse seal is a good enough explanation for why he is getting beaten.

Not to mention he lost the abilities he gained from absorbing oro into himself, no more fast healing (which is a good thing since that was to much of a hax and seemed unlimited) yeah i know they replaced that with this chicks healing ability but that has to be limited with how much chakra she has.

The 8tails hitting him could be the cursed seal being gone, or he can be fast as hell since it's hard to tell how fast someone is going in still images, the attack looked fast with the spinning and with the blades may have been conffusing, maybe it will look a ton more devastating animaited.

This pannel seems fast.... http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/14/

Then when sasukes chidori blade doesn't work he gets hit witht he big blow so mayeb even the surprise of that not workign left him open. when you look at that again that seems like the case.