Quote Originally Posted by Splash!
I am confused. Are you saying that pirates of 'ye olde times' knew of ways to beat typical logia users but that doesn't translate into beating someone of an admiral level? because I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you there.


I think what Death Boo Z means is that any logia users we see from now on in the New World will most likely know of more advanced ways to utilize their devil fruit abilities because the possibility of being harmed physically calls for better methods of offense/defense.
Yes thats what I'm saying. But, I was elaborating further by saying that the pirates now, don't have as many crew members, but each one they do have is very skilled and equal of like, 10 guys of a rookie back in WBs' and Shanks' days. Plus I think they had harder times getting through stuff because they didn't have the same concentrated highly skilled crew members. I can't speak for the future and I'm not trying too. I'm speaking for the past and what the past has become. Any Yonkou commander can probably take 3, 4, 5, or 6 pascifistas down with one hand tied behind they're back. Other wise WB wouldn't be confident enough to declare war on a group that has all logia (we might as well count Akainu as a logia folks, come on) users and a massive fleet underneath them which as admirals, they probably know some good tactics for ship maneuvers too. I'm saying that Luffy's crew is strong very, but I think where Luffy's crew is now, WB's and Shanks' were much stronger, and growing exponentially with crew members, ships, commander powers, and skill.


As a NW whore and the fan who wants to see it the most out of any fan ever, I completely agree with that. However, how many more can there be? I mean the elements of the world are drying up in terms of being used in the story.

What other element left is there?

I mean look:

Ace (fire)
Blackbeard (darkness)
Kizaru (light)
Crocodile (sand. This doesn't count for me, sorry)
Aokiji (ice)
Smoker (smoke. I'm not sure about this one either but it's Odas baby so he can do whatever he wants)
Enel (lightning)

The only ones I can think of are:
wind
water
rock (don't know how that would work)
lava (since Enel and Kizaru exist together. Ace and Akainu should be able too as well)

There aren't that many left. And if the NW is filled with ability users who can school Enel and Aokiji, then what will they have?