Well, I don't really support either of the 2 major parties, and I'm not a big fan of either candidate, but I see that the hope that could be inspired by Obama being elected; I'm not sure about that reparations stuff Ani's talking about; like, there's always people going on about that, but I don't think a significant amount of black Americans support that kind of thing. And I kind of have mixed feelings about affirmative action.
Being inspired and hopeful of change with Obama's presidency is a good thing, but not if people expect things to change on their own and to be given handouts in the name of change.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Well, I agree with that. No one should expect that...unless, well...I wont get into that. But, yea, you shouldn't just expect to be bailed out if you can help yourself.
I'm all for having a brotha in office.
And that's why you fail animus. Obama is an educated wealthy elite. His credentials for being a great president should transcend his skin color and racial ties, but neither side is willing to accept that and they will vote for him based solely on skin color and race and all the baggage that comes with that.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Exactly, people were saying that having an old man like McCain running, a black man, Obama, and a woman, Hilary Clinton, was a sign of how American has changed but America hasn't changed. This country doesn't change, you have to force change down America's throat and even then they'll still cough it back up. America doesn't change until its left with absolutely no other choice but to change.
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Backwards and primitive? Hmmm...I'd like to get into that, but eh, maybe a different thread. Anyway, back on topic (kinda). Has anyone seen any of these attempts to dissuade voters? For example, there are fliers being circulated in certain communites (read: minority) telling people that if they have unpaid traffic tickets, or warrants, that they can't vote, or in other cases recorded calls, or encouragement to wear Obama clothing to polls?
I mean, there ARE other important things to vote for that your vote actually counts for, such as regional statutes, issues, etc.
Not surprising. Social engineering works and produces results.
I heard in Albany or some part of New York that absentee ballots had Obama's name spelled "Osama". Typo or tampering?
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Man that was 11 minutes of a fat guy talking about how Barack Obama is destroying the Constitution because he may not be an American natural born citizen. It might be a big deal to some, but I'm 90% sure this guy just doesn't want a black man in office. I'm also guessing he spent his career as a prosecutor where he would prosecute the stereotypical black criminal.
He wrote off the fact that McCain was not a natural born citizen either, but made it sound like it wasn't some propaganda starved war machine because he presented it proudly. McCain just got off the hook because both his parents were natural born.
I don't see what the big deal is. The media isn't there to play fair and give us an unbiased informative look at the candidates. Like he said Obama is their golden boy, their chosen candidate, the one they decided should be President. It happens every single election. This is America after all.
The voters are the ones who are supposed to remember that no matter how good they make him look he is still a politician and its their obligation to educate themselves about him and what he stands for, before they vote for him.
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They are desperate, Obama's dominating the polls, or so I hear.
nah, mccain's up by a few points so far. Also, there's a good chance he'll win florida.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
The polls and the reporting of them are both done by mainstream media, who have a special interest in reporting that the race is close. If it looks like it will be a landslide, no one will watch their damn cable channels the day of the election, and certainly no one will watch before the election, so sure of a victory.
Since the 2000 election, the media realized they could make absurd amounts of money by intentionally keeping the numbers close, artificially if necessary.
example: NPR (funded 90% through donations, marginal "liberal" bias) has Obama winning by a fairly wide margin, nearly everyone else has the two candidates, "within points" of each other.
EDIT: I was also going to include PBS's poll, but they are using the one provided by NPR. Go figure.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Sat, 11-01-2008 at 06:57 PM.
I would honestly be surprised if I heard McCain was factually ahead of Obama. It just doesn't seem plausible.
I'd like to dedicate this post to how i think sarah palin is the worst possible candidate the republicans could have chosen to be john mccains running mate. I'm not sure if it was because she's an unknown, and nobody already hated her?
I don't hate her but her presence in the campaign only makes me think that she was chosen at random and I doubt had ever been face to face with john mccain before they picked her. Had i been actually ''undecided" She probably would have been the reason my vote did not goto mccain.
Lets see who the electoral college chooses to be our next president, and see if my vote for obama counted towards anything.
I thought it was fairly obvious that Palin was chosen because she was, quite literally, a beauty queen filled to the brim with neo-conservative ideals. Moreover, she was chosen almost immediately after Obama did not go with Clinton. That sent her fuming female supporters into a huff, so the McCain camp figured they might be able to snag a few of those who swore on their mother's grave they would never vote for Obama. I imagine that some of the discussion really was along the lines of, "After all, a woman is a woman to these women, right?"
In any case, I have performed my civic duty and voted today. Polls were swamped at 6am (I wasn't going to vote then anyway but I wanted to check it out), so I went after work around 3:30pm. I was in and out in under ten minutes.
http://news.aol.com/political-machin...688x1200751516
We might not know who the next President is until the 10th.
GOD I WISH IT WOULD FUCKING END.
"They call it 'The American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin
Okay, um Brooklyn just went crazy. I'm inside and I can barely hear myself think.
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Got woken up by one of my housemates cheering. I ended up watching McCain's concession speech.
This is pretty exciting. I'm trying to watch both Fox and CNN to see how each side is reacting.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
His speech was really good. I kinda feel sorry for himOriginally Posted by XanBcoo
The same.I'm trying to watch both Fox and CNN to see how each side is reacting.
Yeah well watching on tv is one thing, I would much prefer that, seeing and more importantly hearing them outside is another.
Now they've gotten around to the inevitable sporadic gunshots. It is NYC afterall
Last edited by Abdula; Tue, 11-04-2008 at 11:52 PM.
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