Naruto Chapter 418

[Abdula]

It's good we're actually seeing Naruto excel at something but jesus fucking christ Kishi why is it always either all or nothing with you? Naruto has pretty much sucked all through shippuden and all of a sudden he's surpassed both kakashi and Jiraya just like that, it just doesn't feel natural.

Natural? It doesn't make any sense and there is absolutely no explanation for it either. We are supposed to believe that Naruto surpassed Kakashi, which is just plain untrue, sure in regards to raw power Naruto would be better than Kakashi but that was always true. Then we are supposed to believe that Naruto by creating his wind rasengan supposedly surpassed the fourth thats bull. First of all why wasn't the fourth able to finish his technique, not only is he way more talented that Naruto but I'm sure he could use shadow clones too so what gives.

Then we get to the weirdest part after sitting in some toad oil for a few days we're supposed to believe Naruto surpassed Jiraiya, but there is nothing to explain why Naruto would be better at this than Jiraiya was, in fact everything would suggest that Jiraiya is way better than Naruto, including the fact that Jiraiya was training for years.

Oh yeah this was a stupid freaking cocktease. I just hope we don't see anymore of Naruto for awhile, or ever again if possible, and Pain does some serious damage next chapter to make up for all this crap.

[Assertn]

The unconscious guy was one of the rain-nins that Jiraiya captured in that frog, and the guy doing the brain-scan is Inozuma(?), Ino's dad....cause, you know....their family's jutsus revolve around invading the enemy's conscious...

I get the feeling Naruto is trying to learn how to use the wind rasengan without damaging his body.

[Uchiha Barles]

I'm totally cool with this. You are what you are, your talents are what they are. When they say Naruto surpassed Kakashi, the Fourth, and Jiraiya, I don't take it to mean that he's now a better fighter than any of them. That doesn't quite make sense. I take it to mean he's done things they either failed to do, or could not do to begin with. Buying that Naruto is talented with respect to sage techniques...why not. It's a new element in the story, and it's an opportunity to give Naruto something he actually excels at. That he's better than Jiraiya at it...why not. Jiraiya's talented at those things he's talented at, and Sage Techniques aren't among those things. I mean, it is what it is.

As far as Minato not being able to complete the jutsu, there might two reasons. Either he just plain couldn't for lack of power or control of chakra or whatever, or, if he could, he just couldn't do it as fast as Naruto, and died before he succeeded. There's no real mystery here.

God...4 edits before I got this right...I need sleep.

[Abdula]

I don't take it to mean that he's now a better fighter than any of them. That doesn't quite make sense. I take it to mean he's done things they either failed to do, or could not do to begin with.

I completely agree with you. Thats the way I see it too but Kishi seems to be trying to suggest otherwise, I mean what was the entire Hidan-Kakuzu arc if not Kishi just trying to tell us Naruto is now better than Kakashi.

and died before he succeeded. There's no real mystery here.

Yeah I agree but again thats not the way Kishi makes it seem.

[Archangel]

Natural? It doesn't make any sense and there is absolutely no explanation for it either. We are supposed to believe that Naruto surpassed Kakashi, which is just plain untrue, sure in regards to raw power Naruto would be better than Kakashi but that was always true. Then we are supposed to believe that Naruto by creating his wind rasengan supposedly surpassed the fourth thats bull. First of all why wasn't the fourth able to finish his technique, not only is he way more talented that Naruto but I'm sure he could use shadow clones too so what gives.

Then we get to the weirdest part after sitting in some toad oil for a few days we're supposed to believe Naruto surpassed Jiraiya, but there is nothing to explain why Naruto would be better at this than Jiraiya was, in fact everything would suggest that Jiraiya is way better than Naruto, including the fact that Jiraiya was training for years.

Oh yeah this was a stupid freaking cocktease. I just hope we don't see anymore of Naruto for awhile, or ever again if possible, and Pain does some serious damage next chapter to make up for all this crap.

I like to think that the problem wasn't that he couldn't complete it, but that he didn't have time to do so. He created the jutsu completely by himself and if i'm not mistaken that took quite some time and before he could completely master it the kyuubi showed up.

Also i assume that Jiraya stayed with the frogs for quite some time while naruto surpassed all his efforts in about 1 week or so... that shit alone makes my head hurt.

I just hope we get 100% pain from now on and we don't start getting 50% pain plus 50% sasuke team vs cloud-nin. I hope kishi focuses his efforts on 1 battle instead of jumping around.

Edit: Dam! I advise everyone to read the new naruto scanlation on onemanga. That last one must have been incredibly shitty because this one is way easier to understand and even changes my opinion on the chapter a bit.