Now that's something I didn't consider. What if Pein beats Kakashi and makes him one of his bodies during this fight. Then later on when Naruto is finally going to go up against Pein he has to fight Kakashi?Originally Posted by poopdeville
Now that's something I didn't consider. What if Pein beats Kakashi and makes him one of his bodies during this fight. Then later on when Naruto is finally going to go up against Pein he has to fight Kakashi?
Kakashi was caught by the element of surprise. I think this Kakashi Vs Pain fight could single handedly remdeem the Naruto series. Yeah we know that the Rinnengan is the most powerful eye of the three, but then how much does stuff like this matter when you are hitting the heights of great fighters? Madara had EMS and still lost to the First.
I think that Kakashi, coupled with his MS, could do some damage here. Why? Because Kakashi is supposed to be a genius without the Sharingan, whereas Pain just has an uber power up. Unless Pain can just nulify attacks, disrupt his opponenets internal chakra or just time travel, this could be a good fight.
Things against Kakashi right now are his low chakra/stamina level, and the fact that Jiraiya lost against Pain.
All those argument could mean something at some point of time, but we're at chapter 420.
Kakashi (whom, by chapter 80, has already admitted his relative weakness against Orochimaru), is not going to do shit to Payne.
Jiraya was probably much stronger than Kakashi (Kakashi shit his pants against Orochimaru, Jiraya bitch slapped Orochimaru), and he barely grazed Payne. Kakashi is seriously outclassed here.
I don't think there's a single ninja at the village who can currently fight against Payne, not Tsunade, not Yamato, not Hyuuga, not anbu. Payne has one weakness (well, two, if we consider what Jiraya said), and that's Qunan. always go after the girl.
the moment Payne finds out about Naruto, he'll stop the attack and go ambush Naruto.
then the world will implode from plot twisting, as there is no chance in hell that Naruto can beat Payne
anyways, not that Kakashi is weak or something, he's just out of his league here.
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I'm not going to make judgements on the current strength of characters based on their past strength because their progressions occur at different rates and are non linear, probably, for some. What I will say is this. The Uchiha and the Senju had massive numbers of battles against each other. By the time the first fought Madara, he probably had a good deal of information concerning the Sharingan.
Right now, we don't know what the rinnegan does. We don't know if it nullifies jutsu, we don't know if it freezes time, we don't know if it dulls the senses, we don't know if it paralyses the opponent, we've know clue. Kakashi has no clue. If he had some understanding of the powers of the Rinnegan, then maybe he would stand a chance, if the powers lent themselves to being defeated by something Kakashi can pull off. Kakashi would have to pull what that spider guy pulled against neiji back in the Chasing Sasukamy arc (that fight was pure bullshit btw). That's to say, figure out what the powers of the Rinnegan are. The thing is, the Byakugan didn't have any crazy tricks that messed with the opponents perception of reality. Right now, it seems that the Rinnegan might. How many times does Pain HAVE to use these abilities before he takes out Kakashi? I have a feeling, he could've killed him already.
Kakashi can't really win this with no info. He's gonna spend another month in the hospital, and this time, it's not going to be because he "went past his limit". It's going to be because someone came to save his behind from a fatal asskicking. Unless Kishimoto pulls a fast one on us and KILLS HIM! Can you imagine? Saving Naruto's academy teacher just to take out Kakashi...I'd lol forever.
Or maybe Kakashi and Gai will team up and fight one of Pain's bodies.
Naruto sucks balls. If he somehow manages to beat Pain now, then I'm done with this manga.
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oh, for god's sake...
we get that shit twice each chapter discussion...
"If kishi does this, then I quit!"
"If naruto actually manages that, then I'll stop reading!"
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pein is gonna die. mostly likely by naruto.
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If Abdula didn't bitch about something in each Naruto chapter, then he wouldn't be Abdula. Assuming that they do break the code in time, I'm sure Naruto will be able to defeat Pain.
if that happens, I'm quitting the manga
I think it's still to early for this, Naruto is a 'bubble' of power, he needs to burst to show his real proportions, he's been inflating since Naruto2 started, he needs to get a crushing defeat from someone mighty strong, and then get a good win against someone decent.
Payne is not an enemy Naruto should be able to beat right now.
it's possible that the yoda frog will sacrifice himself to stop Payne (send him back to dimension X, whatever), and then Naruto will need to figure out how to toad-fu on his own, without chackra receivers.
other option, that is completely impossible (and three times as awesome) is that killerbee comes to fight payne himself, saying that he wants to make sure that he is stronger than any akatsuki member, and he combines forces with... Kisame!
(yes, I'm pushing for Kisame crossing the lines, read earlier chapters discussions for more on that subject)
Kisame, who is pissed by Uchiha idiots making his best friend kill himself, joins the fight, and they manage to drive Payne away, killing two more of his bodies, which will give Konoha the final clue about killing Payne.
that's the best scenrio option, which has 0% of happening, something that might happen, is that Naruto runs into Qunan, beats her, and then Payne retreats in order to take care of her injuries.
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But I'm completely serious. Its not about Naruto, Pain is the only reason I keep reading this manga. Orochimaru is gone, Itachi is gone, and Jiraiya is gone so Pain is pretty much the only character left in this series that I actually give a crap about. So if he dies, my interest in Naruto dies with him.
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Normally when someone learns anything, including combat, they learn the basics first. The basics aren't things that go away, they're an ever present foundation, and the better you are at them, the better you are, period. Good hand to hand combat is usually the foundation for someone like Naruto. He didn't get that, like, ever. Instead he got those things that are supposed to build on the basics. A rasengan and a wind rasengan, both of which need good hand to hand combat skills to work reliably, instead of some incredibly contrived tactic. He got kage bunshin, which alone is deadly as hell if your hand to hand combat is up to par. Asides from the demon and things linked to the active summoning of it's power, that's about all Naruto got.
Naruto didn't lack the power to take out akatsuki guys, nor did he lack the tactical ability. He lacked skill, because he lacked the foundation I was talking about. This frog-fu is now the missing backdrop against which all of Naruto's skills have to be measured. Think of it as someone who gets a hell of a lot of knowledge about stuff, but is missing one critical component to make any of it useful. Once he gets it though, he previous knowledge is still there. With a few adjustments, he's the brainy powerhouse all the knowledge he acquired implies he is. Naruto's cunning is what it's always been, his power is what it's always been, but now he can actually run up to someone, through a punch, and counter the counter (maybe). We'll no longer need to sit through 2 episodes of Naruto charging in and getting repelled 2 miles back, repeatedly. Also, the sage mode adds to all this, basically what the demon chakra did for him, minus the killing him slowly thing. Do I see him taking out Pein? After Kakashi figures out what the Rinnegan does, and the code breakers figure out what "the real one isn't there" means, and all this is told to Naruto...then yeah...maybe.
Pain/Pein/Payne (which name is correct? :P ) will most likely be killed by Naruto because he was the one who killed Jiraiya, so it's going to be a good opportunity for Naruto to finally grow up, save Kakashi's ass and revenge his beloved perverted hermit's death.
On the other hand, we were waiting for Naruto to grow up for so long it feels like yet another cocktease just to make him look like a fool in the end anyway.
Time will tell... especially with Tsunade being sentenced to death by so many.
Either way, we should see some really nice action in future chapters and that's what matters
To be honest I don't see Naruto beating Pein here. Even in the naruto world that would be too much of a stretch. I think Naruto will end up fighting Pein, but due to some plot device the fight will be interuppted. At the most Naruto will get beat, but Pein will have to back off for one reason or another. I do think though this fight will reveal a major plot, either with Naruto directly or with something being revelaed about the rinenngan.
Maybe the Kisame thing is kind of a stretch, but not really That far off (not sure about the Killerbee thing). I could see him turning...low probability, though. And of course i lol'd at Naruto's envisioning the fusion. It felt like a short chapter; and I'm hungry for more unbridled carnage, like the soul sucking and stuff. I say someone bites the bullet next chapter.
And should that lab guy be working in the lab if he's that clueless?
I thought this was one of the better chapters in quite some time. It had a pretty intense pace to it and I can't remember the last time a chapter left me looking forward to the next.
I'm liking Naruto's progress. It feels like there may be hope for what we've been looking forward to since Naruto vs Gaara. And I really liked the last page, especially the last frame of Tsunade saying "Call Naruto back!"
I think you guys are missing the point of the series when it comes to thinking Naruto will beat Pein 1 on.. erm.. "1".
I'm sticking with this prediction:
In the fight where Pein is defeated (whenever the hell that is) Naruto will start the fight alone and frogmaster on his shoulder will die so he can't activate his nature mode while fighting.. So his friends come and help him out, the people that he's cheered up along the way demonstrating true teamwork and how konoha is one big family bla bla bla bullshit. Possibly even a turned Sasuke (I hope not). Naruto will still land the final blow (or together with Sasuke).
The multiple body system of Pein is just screaming "You have to fight as a team to beat me."
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Look, Jiraya died figuring out Pain's secret, which will most likely translate to a weakness. It was said that Jiraya could've escaped if he wanted to. If it's a big enough thing that Jiraya would sacrifice himself for, is it not entirely plausible that Naruto could defeat Pain? Even Shizune figured out something.
Sometimes ppl forget that this manga is called naruto, and he is the main character of the story. Him pulling out a win is not really far fetched. Hell I rather him beating someone way above him then a secondary character. I'm pissed yet again naruto has limitation on his damn new jutsu. He needs pa frog and he can only do it for 5 min. God kishi give the poor guy a break.
Well actually the point of the series, or rather the point of Naruto's character, is for him to become Hokage and earn the recognition of those who despised him as a child. That doesn't mean he has to beat Pein alone.
You know there is a possibility that the power Itachi 'fed' Naruto might just spring forth in one of these fights. I know the accepted wisdom is that it will come out against Sasuke or possibily Madara, but Itachi could have been preparing Naruto's defenses against Pein. Itachi must have known about the rinenngan, as Pein always had it on, even when we only used to see akatsuki as holograms. Sasuke would have the EMS, and Naruto would have this mysterious power to fight with against Pein and Madara.
Wouldn't it be weird if he transferred something of the Sharingan to Naruto?
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