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    Quote Originally Posted by masamuneehs
    In short: main character credentials have catapulted Setsuna to the top of the CB hierarchy. And I think that's some mother fucking bullshit.
    Maybe it was more like the others aboard think Marina is Setsuna's responsibility as he rescued her outside of the original plan. Thus he calls the shots as to what to do about her, that is, how to get rid of her. With the original plan or at least the original structure of the CB somewhat lost I think all the pilots are now basically the bosses, and so Setsuna's order could be considered the common policy (to remove Marina from the ship).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    Maybe it was more like the others aboard think Marina is Setsuna's responsibility as he rescued her outside of the original plan. Thus he calls the shots as to what to do about her, that is, how to get rid of her.
    Dude, that's fine logic and all, but it still doesn't address the fact that Setsuna's orders are suddenly absolute on the ship (until Sumeragi gets back into uniform, at least). And it doesn't make sense that Tieria doesn't even get to weigh in on things before people go about acknowledging Setsuna's orders.

    How does Setsuna going out of his way by actualizing a secondary mission objective suddenly dictate what everyone else has to do? Because, if that's so, then why the hell doesn't new Lockon go, "Yo, folks, we're teaming up with Kataron because I helped them out last time!" or Allelujah go, "Don't shoot at the mobile suit with my amnesiac crush in it. Actually, let's go rescue her!" And if they did, would you expect everyone to just snap to it the way people did for Setsuna's little personal request?

    He rescued Saji, and that led to zero consequences. It's clearly all about who is main character, who is main character's love interest. Trying to build logical reasoning on that is like building a house on wet sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masamuneehs
    How does Setsuna going out of his way by actualizing a secondary mission objective suddenly dictate what everyone else has to do? Because, if that's so, then why the hell doesn't new Lockon go, "Yo, folks, we're teaming up with Kataron because I helped them out last time!" or Allelujah go, "Don't shoot at the mobile suit with my amnesiac crush in it. Actually, let's go rescue her!" And if they did, would you expect everyone to just snap to it the way people did for Setsuna's little personal request?
    While snapping to Setsuna's command without analysing risks at all was somewhat odd, just dropping off one girl somewhere is hardly equivalent to forming alliances with another faction or trying to "rescue" an enemy elite pilot.

    Think of this like you have been drinking with a couple of buddies, all of you living in the same general direction from the bar, and you agree to take one taxi home. However, one of you suddenly brings his girl with him (that you know but didn't expect to be there) and tells you she will be joining as well, and you will drop her off to her place on your way home. It's a slightly aggressive stance but I don't see why you would argue too much against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco
    While snapping to Setsuna's command without analysing risks at all was somewhat odd, just dropping off one girl somewhere is hardly equivalent to forming alliances with another faction or trying to "rescue" an enemy elite pilot.

    Think of this like you have been drinking with a couple of buddies, all of you living in the same general direction from the bar, and you agree to take one taxi home. However, one of you suddenly brings his girl with him (that you know but didn't expect to be there) and tells you she will be joining as well, and you will drop her off to her place on your way home. It's a slightly aggressive stance but I don't see why you would argue too much against it.
    But the thing is, a second ago, they'd be discussing a group of thugs would be camping on her doorstep, and offered her to stay at someone's place overnight instead. She insists she wants to go home, and one guy says "Okay, let's do it".

    (Note, these are like Mafia thugs)

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    From my perspective, this is how the scene when Setsuna decide that they can take Marina back played out.

    Setsuna did something out of character by showing some sympathy for someone other than Gundam.

    Tiera comment was more of a surprised reaction to Setsuna unusual behavior rather than a disagreement.

    Ian gave like a fatherly/elderly understanding to Setsuna request and goes off to prepare and his daughter follow his lead.

    I think everyone just kinda agreed that Setsuna will be the one to decide what to do about Marina. It's not like they can just keep her there against her will or just randomly drop her somewhere.

    Edit: The way Setsuna phrased his decision might make it sound more like a command rather than a request, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Dragon
    Edit: The way Setsuna phrased his decision might make it sound more like a command rather than a request, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
    It's worth mentioning that the way Ian responded was also more like acknowledging a command.

    You can really see the difference between "Yoshi, Azadistan it is" and "Ryoukai(?), Setsuna"

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