Well, naruto learned the rasengan before they did the whole affinity test, right?
Well, naruto learned the rasengan before they did the whole affinity test, right?
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The way I see it Assertn meant mixing regular rasengan with affinity different than wind.
Tbh, just like DB_Hunter, I'm curious where was that said.
I'd have to agree that the "spinning" part of rasengan can be easily associated with "wind" affinity, but I see no reason for rasengan to be "incompatible" with other affinities.
Yeah, It could be dumb (rasengan + fire = wtf? how would that work?) or incredibly chakra consuming (rasengan + lightning = prolly mass dmg + fckn HUGE chakra cost) but I guess it would be POSSIBLE. Another option is I/We don't have enough imagination to come up with a technique that makes any sense when the above are mixed together.
fire spin. there's already a pokemon attack assorted with.Originally Posted by SilentSnake
bubble blaster. thunder ball.
the only element that doesn't fit is ground element, and if you push hard enough, you can probably find a word that matches the case.
I feel that all this chapter has done was downgrade Naruto into a character who's only real asset is the demon and the after effects of it. all of his ninja accomplishments turn out to be shit (whenever he's awesome, it turns out that the kyuubi made it possible, and other times, it's revealed that his accomplishments are incredibly easy), he usually figures out the obvious solution months after every internet fandom has gone through them.
he's turning into a distant, shadow of his former character. or rather, he's becoming closer to a shonen series hero prototype and farther than an original character. all he has going for him is a plot device mechanism and the ability to shonen-heart people into sacrificing their lives in battle for him.
but enough of that, here are some rumblings about the chidori.
shouldn't the chidori be one of the more stable attacks\elements? electricity is pretty much the only thing you can keep 'charged', so why does it seem so chackra wasteful? clouds have strong electricity charges, and they're the trademark of peace and tranquility. shouldn't it be possible for some ninja to make his entire body in 'wires' that circulate the electricity until it using it?
bahha, screw all this elements crap. it was stupid when it was introduced, it's stupid now and it's making me write stupid things.
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The 4th created it with the intent of applying his elemental composition into it....however, it was impossible for him to do. Same thing for Kakashi, which is why Kakashi developed raikiri instead. Considering how rare wind affinity is among konoha nins, it makes sense to me that this is why only Naruto has been able to bring the rasengan this far.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Where did you get the idea that wind affinity was rare in Konoha? I seriously don't know where you are pulling all these ideas from, the only people we have even seen with elemental affinities are Kakashi, Naruto, Sasuke and Yamato. There is a whole village out there and for all we know half of them have wind affinity.
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10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Naruto didn`t managed to do it because he has wind element and thus makes it easier, he did it because he used shadow clones, i don`t see how any other element wouldn`t work.
You`re assuming yondaime didn`t managed to do it because his element is incompatible, wich is not stated on the manga as far as i know, here are some potential reasons.
A) Incompatibility as you said.
B) Coudln`t find a way to add his element without clones just like naruto.
C) Didn`t had enough training time because he was either busy with his pregnant wife/being hokage/dead.
D) He discovered World of Warcraft.
E) Decided Rasengan was strong enough as it is and decided to move on to make/improve other techniques.
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People underestimate kagebunshin a lot because it's so overused by Naruto, but even though it's Kishi's fault we see it that way (me included) doesn't mean it's true.
3rd made *2* kage bunshins and everyone went "OMIGOD WTF!" (I do remember he was old and stuff, but still... it was there that was emphasized why making kage bunshins was, in a way, dangerous because of splitting one's chakra)
What is more, Kakashi CAME UP with the idea of using kage bunshins for TRAINING purposes BECAUSE of the way Naruto can use them. I believe it was directly/indirectly stated that this kind of training is valid ONLY for Naruto.
Also, 4th didn't get enough time to finish rasengan.
To back up this argument are the facts that he was hokage, he died quite young and he was not single. (he is Naruto's father after all and EVERYONE who is not single can confirm that girlfriend/boyfriend does take a lot of time away :P )
Imo if he had enough time and will he'd be able to master rasengan the way he'd want and that applies to everyone with enough time and talent.
Naruto = training haxxor, but not everyone has to hax to get similar/same results.
Jiraiya can do a fire rasengan, cept its not really a rasengan infused with fire, he just blows fire on top of it, so it spins around the rasengan.
curious, but when does jiraiya do a "fire" rasengan? i remember the regular, the oodama that naruto used, the bs rasen shuriken, and the huge one that jiraiya used vs Pain. is the one you speak of in a game perhaps? if i've missed one do point it out.
lol, I was wondering the same. I've only seen Fire Style: Flame Rasengan in Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 3.
^This, he also does it in Ultimate Ninja Storm for ps3. And yes these attacks are valid cause all the special attacks cc2 make, go past kishi for approval. Kinda like how the gc bleach games confirmed the abilities of certain zanpakutou way before they even showed up in the manga. Seeing how Jiraiya is dead now, I don't think it can be considered a "spoiler" any longer, but he did have the ability to do it.
don't need to get defensive, just curious as to where the move came from. if anything, thanks for the confirmation
and im not looking forward to the advent of "spirit bomb" rasenan...
but at least i can lol at konohamaru showing up chuunin/jounin level konoha ninjas.
What Kakashi said was that it would be impractical for someone like him to use Kagebunshin to train because he doesn't have the amount of chakra Naruto has. Instead of helping him train, it would work against him. He was simply saying that he couldn't use the Kagebunshin trick to train... not that he wasn't able to control Kagebunshins.
That would make more sense. But surely then even with fewer clones than Naruto but coupled with his vastly superior natural ability, sure Kakashi should be able to figure out what to do? Even if it takes him a few months rather than a week..?
Maybe so but from how I read that he was referring to how Naruto used his shadow clones to create the Rasenshuriken, not the training thing since he talked about the tarining thing several chapters earlier. This is supported even more by the fact that at the time Naruto had only created 2 clones rather than the 100's he was using when he was actually training. This is because it took place right after Kakashi done the looking left and right example for Naruto.
Hey guys, Here is my gist on why kage bushin is a big deal (and possibly a forbidden jitsu) and the whole deal with the chakra requirement.
Since this technique divides your chakra its not THIS TECHNIQUE that would kill you but the next one. (which if you are fighting their will PROB BE a 'next one'
Take Kakashi for example, he could only do 4 chidori's a day... now this means if he made like 4 shadow clones then tried to do a chidori, he would prob use up ALL his chakra and possibly die.
If he made one shadow clone, got it destroyed and made a second one... the same result would happen.
And these numbers come from a fresh start not mid battle.
In short, ppl liek Kakashi cannot use many of Naruto's kagebushin strategies at all in a serious battle or risk dividing their chakra up far to much to make the next move.
Now I know that the wind rasengan of naruto's took allot out of even him (it said that he at first could only get one a day, then he pushed it to 3 ) so with some one like Kakashi could never pull this off with a shadow clone's help as that alone just divided his chakra in half... again assuming he does this right from the start.
Also you can understand why they don't like to teach the kage bushin technique to just any one... Some one w/o MUCH experience in battle and their own chakra levels would EASILY kill themselves by going overboard. Naruto again is just the exception.
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At least Naruto goes through a lot of training arcs and doesn't get exponentially stronger while getting his ass kicked. Oh wait he does .
I think I was one of the first to call a Clone that collects Sage chakra, but I'm hoping that its a trick to mislead us and he figures something else out. But it seems we are heading in that direction, due to the its like looking left and right statement. But I want to know what he was doing when those mountains were failing apart and what this secret is that he is keeping from the frog. OH well time will tell.
He's probably learnt to throw the rasen-shuriken and is now just practising on his aim/control.
It will be interesting to see if Pein can actually go to where Naruto is, as the old frog said at the starts that anybody who didn't know exactly where they were going would get lost in the mountain maze (or something like that).
he's clearly a twink.
still curious if naruto explained how to do rasangen w\ the pervy jutsu, or if thats just what konohamaru was thinking naruto was going to show him.
and now... completely unrelated to the chapter. I was just looking at a hundred dollar bill... and Benjamin Franklin clearly has the rennigan.
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