Lolicon equal child pornography?

[Munsu]

Well there's two sides to that argument. Some think that interest in comic kiddie porn will lead to real-life kiddie porn and endanger children with dick wanking at the park. Others say that comic porn is an outlet for weirdos so there's less likelihood they'll engage in real criminal behavior.

I think asking a bunch of anime/manga fans in their teens and early 20s won't yield the most objective or knowledgeable of discussions on the matter.

A bit of an exaggeration, but that's almost like punishing a drug user as a murderer because of some belief that drug use will lead to murder (which in various different ways it is true because of circumstances). People should be punished for what they do, not for what they may do in some hypothetical situation just because a group of people have a theory about human behavior.

If anything, there should be more focus in education and on parenting than wether or not some random guy like to read comic books that contain some lolis.

I love my violent movies, games, comics... you don't see me going around killing people.

[Kraco]

I love my violent movies, games, comics... you don't see me going around killing people.

Oh, yes I do. Every time a new season of 24 begins.

[Munsu]

Oh, yes I do. Every time a new season of 24 begins.

Jack Bauer has given me immunity.

Anyways, all these groups that keeps pushing to censor the media and all crap like that can go suck my dick.

[Animeniax]

A bit of an exaggeration, but that's almost like punishing a drug user as a murderer because of some belief that drug use will lead to murder (which in various different ways it is true because of circumstances). People should be punished for what they do, not for what they may do in some hypothetical situation just because a group of people have a theory about human behavior.

If anything, there should be more focus in education and on parenting than wether or not some random guy like to read comic books that contain some lolis.

I love my violent movies, games, comics... you don't see me going around killing people.

That's a bit of a stretch of a comparison. Think more along the lines of marijuana's perception as a gateway drug leading to harder drugs. Interest in animated kiddie porn can be seen to lead to interest in real kiddie porn.

And the concern is that people who like violent movies, games, and comics will become desensitized to the violence and make them more likely to do the wrong thing in a bad situation. They'll be more likely to look the other way when faced with matters like genocide.

[Munsu]

That's a bit of a stretch of a comparison. Think more along the lines of marijuana's perception as a gateway drug leading to harder drugs. Interest in animated kiddie porn can be seen to lead to interest in real kiddie porn.

And the concern is that people who like violent movies, games, and comics will become desensitized to the violence and make them more likely to do the wrong thing in a bad situation. They'll be more likely to look the other way when faced with matters like genocide.

In contrast, religion should lead people to appreciate life and do the right thing, right? Yet throughout history we've seen many many cases were religion has been one of the main catalysts of bad behavior.

I like this analogy better, loli hentai is to child pornography what cigarette-shaped gum is to cigarettes.

Some like their meat raw, would that be considered a gateway to cannibalism? Should we punish people that eat raw meat? I like walking in my house in the nude and swim in my private swimming pool nude, should that be considered a gateway to public nudism? Should I be punished for that? Those are the type of connections that is going on here, they're trying to punish people for hypothetical situations not because of actual acts.

[Animeniax]

Shrug, I'm just presenting all the arguments, not my own beliefs on the subject.

But your examples are fallacious. There is no proven corollary between eating raw meat leading to eating human meat, neither does being nude in private lead to public nudity. Whereas looking at drawn kiddie porn is still looking at kiddie porn, and has a direct relationship to real kiddie porn, plus the fact both are illegal, like KrayZ said.

It's all subjective anyway, like the definition of decency and pornography.

The supreme court in the US already ruled banning simulated child pornography unconstitutional.... I'm not even in the US and I know this.

And no the article is deceptful, he actually had a lot of REAL child porn aswell, 99.9% of his sentance is due to that. It would be like getting sentenced to life for genociding everyone in GTA4, hey it's simulated murder isn't it?
No, it falls under free speech and the drawings don't actually hurt anyone.

Yes but Bush passed the Protect Act of 2008 that circumvents the Supreme Court ruling. The validity of the act is currently being challenged in the courts.

The article is about freedom of speech in comics and donating to the CBLDF, so they omit the facts about what else the guy was guilty of.