Just super speed. Naruto out-flanked Pein in those panels, and jumps at him from behind in the next page.Originally Posted by Death BOO Z
Just super speed. Naruto out-flanked Pein in those panels, and jumps at him from behind in the next page.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
dude, i didn't follow like the first 6 pages.. wasn't really sure that happened with the whole monument thing.
Sakura will probably go to Hinata, but i don't think she'll be able to do anything. maybe like, a couple last words. but i doubt she'll come back.
that was kinda my feelings towards this chapter too.
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Where is this mangaka's balls? Are they caught in a vice? Is he married? I, like a lot of people, love Hinata. But I call bullshit. Why? Because I can't answer the following question: "How does Pain fail to kill Hinata ?" I mean ffs, what makes this worse, is we all know he knows how to make something compelling. But he screws up on purpose. Fuck.
Easily, Payne wanted this to happen.
this is why he created Akatsuki. while he is dealing with a bijuu part of the jincuurichi, he's extremely vulnerable. he's practically defenseless against a 3rd party attack.
in most cases, he sends out some men to bring the target to the Payne-mansion, and then uses with the help of others (who contribute a big amount of chackra to the process) to take out the demon. but if he's on his own, then he needs to make sure he won't be interrupted.
so a battle at this levels is perfect for him, since he can get his target closer to his trap, and because Naruto has gone Kyuubi, no one in their right minds would follow them.
this is what Payne waited for, he ruined the village, and lured Naruto to his trap, now Payne can entrap Naruto and do whatever evil thing he planned.
further more, on the case of p04 bottom panels. it looks like a flash move. the frickin' long awaited golden flash move.
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I think that mass destruction Jutsu he was talking about is already completed and he is only making it stronger by adding more energy of the Tailed Beasts. So he could use that technique on Naruto now. And Yamato said the seal broke. Does that mean the seal completely broke? I mean since the pendant kicked in to try to control it.
Nah, it's def not a flash technique. It's just hard to follow what is happening because its still frames. It will be clear when it gets animated. But, it seems to me like he kind of used the bone legs to fling or catapult himself at Pein.
That's it what it seems to be to me too. If that's the case though, he's a hell of an opponent for even pain to deal with now.
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Well, in that case, unless sasuke or Madara are coming back to help Yamato, naruto's going to go godzilla and just keep growing more tails at this point. Like most people said if he's past the point of no return then he'll just be getting stronger and stronger from this point on.
Also, no one has theorized on what will happen if he goes full 9 tails and just keeps forming the fox. Will Kyuubi just kill naruto? Would it be like the 8 tails bull was and form a giant fox like it did for the octo bull? I mean this is kind of a first for us to see. So I don't think he'll keep going. Plus, why would Kishi send Yamato in with 6 tails alarming him? He wouldn't be going in if he was unable to do something. I think even with 8 tails Yamato would be going back. He's the only one that can stop him now other than running out of chakra or just getting tired. Neither of which I can see happening. In conclusion unless this is the end all be all battles or just a hint of more to come, then I can see him going more and more nuts and growing more tails. If not then I Yamato, Pain or someone or thing is going to stop him in the next chapter. He won't stay like this for long.
Kyuubi is forming around him more and more the more tails he spawns.
probably.
when Gaara went all out (one tail) he transformed into the sand tanuki. when kllerbee went all out, he transformed into octo-bull. so it makes sense Naruto going all out will bring out the demon fox.
as for the crazy madness berserk rage, I think it might not be be a property of the fox, at least not directly. Shukaku and octobull have bad tempers, but aren't destruction crazed. maybe it's because the ying-yang seal on naruto (which separated the good chackra from the bad, making the fox uncontrollable), or maybe it's a lasting effect from madare's sharingan shanningans. when naruto (and Sasuke, though I wish to forget that part) talk with the kyuubi, he's rather intelligent, and somewhat talkative.
maybe it's just that Naruto didn't have enough practice with Kyuubi transformations, but seeing how madly different killer bee is, I think it's something else. something more sinister and plot connected.
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Shukaku was totally a destruction/murder crazed beast.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
No, he wasn't. Not in the sense that Naruto is while in Kyuubi mode.
Shuukaku was evil and loved chaos, but he was aware of what he was doing and could think and speak; he had a consciousness. When Naruto goes Kyuubi, he doesn't speak or think, he just growls and roars and goes off in a blind fit of rage and attacks anything and anyone; he has no consciousness and doesn't remember anything afterwards..
This is splitting hairs. So the Shukaku has talked. The only thing it said was "I want to kill you!" and "You bastard, I was finally free!" to Gama Bunta.
The Shukaku went on a blind fit of rage and attacked the first thing it saw. Gaara didn't remember what the Shukaku did while it was free, either. He was asleep!
Whether it has consciousness or not is moot. Especially since we've already seen the Kyuubi act "consciously" (in a much more sophisticated manner), inside Sasuke and Naruto's head. For example, when Naruto extorts it (by threatening to die, taking the Kyuubi with him), or when the Kyuubi talked about Madara's chakra.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
Do you suppose that's because the first thing he saw was the guy he was fighting?
I don't think you understand the concept of a blind fit of rage. Shuukaku enjoys violence and destruction. He was aware of his actions. What we saw from Shuukaku was not blind rage, but his personality. And until he was fully transformed, we still saw Gaara's personality.
The difference with Naruto going into kyuubi-mode like this is that there is no awareness of his actions, by Naruto or seemingly by Kyuubi. We don't see the personality of of Naruto or the personality of Kyuubi. All there is is rage, neither being seems to be in control or making conscious decisions.
I don't know how I can make that any clearer.
This is not about Gaara. Gaara at that point wasn't the one fighting; that was entirely Shuukaku. He deliberately released Shuukaku and let him take over by using a sleep jutsu. But, through the various stages of transformation, Gaara was still Gaara.Gaara didn't remember what the Shukaku did while it was free, either. He was asleep!
In Naruto's case, this is still Naruto in the various stages of his transformation. It's not completely Kyuubi. Even with only 4 tails, and without completely transforming into Kyuubi, Naruto isn't in control of his own actions or decisions.
But the fact Gaara is asleep while Shuukaku is free is counterproductive to whatever argument you think you're trying to make. Gaara would have an excuse for not remembering. Naruto is still awake.
No... its not moot... its the basis of the argumentative differences between Naruto in kyuubi-mode and the other jinchuuriki.Whether it has consciousness or not is moot.
This is the exact point that Death Boo was trying to make... so what exactly are you arguing?Especially since we've already seen the Kyuubi act "consciously" (in a much more sophisticated manner), inside Sasuke and Naruto's head. For example, when Naruto extorts it (by threatening to die, taking the Kyuubi with him), or when the Kyuubi talked about Madara's chakra.
Indeed, I do. But it is important to realize that Shukaku WASN'T fighting them until he saw them, and that it picked a fight with the FIRST thing it saw. The Shukaku wasn't released until Gaara went to sleep. Shukaku wasn't "mad" at Naruto or Bunta. He just flipped out when he saw them. It could have been Monkey D. Luffy making out with the second Kazekage, and Shukaku would said "I AM GOING TO KILL YOU!" It could have been ANYBODY, and he would have tried to squash it. All he wanted to do was to kill. That is blind rage in my book. Again, it seems to me that you are trying to split a hair: he talked. Big deal. He was in a "blind rage" too.
Well, you keep saying the same things. And none of them answer why you think this: "The difference with Naruto going into kyuubi-mode like this is that there is no awareness of his actions, by Naruto or seemingly by Kyuubi.", when we HAVE seen Kyuubi's personality. "You're weak. You can't do anything without me", it has told Naruto.I don't think you understand the concept of a blind fit of rage. Shuukaku enjoys violence and destruction. He was aware of his actions. What we saw from Shuukaku was not blind rage, but his personality. And until he was fully transformed, we still saw Gaara's personality.
The difference with Naruto going into kyuubi-mode like this is that there is no awareness of his actions, by Naruto or seemingly by Kyuubi. We don't see the personality of of Naruto or the personality of Kyuubi. All there is is rage, neither being seems to be in control or making conscious decisions.
I don't know how I can make that any clearer.
You seem to want to say that the Kyuubi is like a growling wild animal, and the Shukaku was like a fucked up person. And that this somehow makes one have "blind rage" and the other "a quirky personality".
Talk of personalities is confusing everything. All they want to do is fuck shit up.
I thought the point Death Boo was trying to make was about Naruto's seal, and what the Kyuubi's behavior reveals about it. And my point was that it really doesn't reveal much, because (1) his characterization of Shukaku as "not a raging beast" seems wrong to me, and (2) Naruto is obviously pissed, and not in the mood to talk. He talked to Sasuke while transforming.This is the exact point that Death Boo was trying to make... so what exactly are you arguing?
I didn't mention this point, but Killabee/Octobull makes this whole thing even more confusing, since now there are THREE known jinchuuriki/bijuu pairs that pretty much act completely differently. (Though I think Naruto is probably closer to being like Killabee/Octobull than Gaara/Shukaku -- it seems like Killabee tamed Octobull. At the time the Shukaku came out, Gaara had long lost that battle. Who knows if he did during the time-jump.)
"After all, I am strangely colored."
The only person who's confused is you.
It's very clear from your responses that you have absolutely no clue what anyone is saying to you. We might as well be speaking in Linear A.
Nah....I think +4 tails is definitely the kyubi taking control. When Naruto went 4 tails, the whole subconscious sequence showed him offering his body to the Kyubi. Plus, 4-tailed Naruto wasn't being blindly reckless (think like Chopper's monster mode)...he was actually performing jutsus that the Kyubi is likely familiar with, such as the chakra ball of death. Not only in the fight vs Oro, but now in the fight vs Pain, he's used it. There has to be some sort of consistency in the consciousness between those two fights.
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I still don't understand why pein goes to all this trouble. He can pretty much do wut he did in konoha, make a little commotion, the village send out the civilians and pein then can use shinra tensei. do this in every village, pein dies, ppl of different village unite and bam tempo peace.
Think Kishi really messed up on the power/destruction lvl of shinra tensei. Watch inorder to solve the destroyed village problem Kishi will make danzo raise a new city from underground, and the explanation for why such a thing exist is given by back up from when oro attacked the village when they were repairing the city they made one under it for when if such thing happen again they have it ready.
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Man, WTF. Kyuubi being led into a trap confirmed.
Hinata better ride that cock hard for all the trouble she's giving Naruto now.
Awesome chapter. I am really enjoying it. I wonder if Naruto is totally overwhelmed by the Kyubbi or if he is still subconsciously there and able to control him...I would be interested in seeing if he can use his sage techniques while in that mode...
Yeah, i'm sure the raging demon fox should be able to sit still while having a nice cup of Earl Grey and collect all the necessary nature energy to perform sage jutsus.
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