Quote Originally Posted by Sidnne
Do you suppose that's because the first thing he saw was the guy he was fighting?
Indeed, I do. But it is important to realize that Shukaku WASN'T fighting them until he saw them, and that it picked a fight with the FIRST thing it saw. The Shukaku wasn't released until Gaara went to sleep. Shukaku wasn't "mad" at Naruto or Bunta. He just flipped out when he saw them. It could have been Monkey D. Luffy making out with the second Kazekage, and Shukaku would said "I AM GOING TO KILL YOU!" It could have been ANYBODY, and he would have tried to squash it. All he wanted to do was to kill. That is blind rage in my book. Again, it seems to me that you are trying to split a hair: he talked. Big deal. He was in a "blind rage" too.

I don't think you understand the concept of a blind fit of rage. Shuukaku enjoys violence and destruction. He was aware of his actions. What we saw from Shuukaku was not blind rage, but his personality. And until he was fully transformed, we still saw Gaara's personality.

The difference with Naruto going into kyuubi-mode like this is that there is no awareness of his actions, by Naruto or seemingly by Kyuubi. We don't see the personality of of Naruto or the personality of Kyuubi. All there is is rage, neither being seems to be in control or making conscious decisions.

I don't know how I can make that any clearer.
Well, you keep saying the same things. And none of them answer why you think this: "The difference with Naruto going into kyuubi-mode like this is that there is no awareness of his actions, by Naruto or seemingly by Kyuubi.", when we HAVE seen Kyuubi's personality. "You're weak. You can't do anything without me", it has told Naruto.

You seem to want to say that the Kyuubi is like a growling wild animal, and the Shukaku was like a fucked up person. And that this somehow makes one have "blind rage" and the other "a quirky personality".

Talk of personalities is confusing everything. All they want to do is fuck shit up.

This is the exact point that Death Boo was trying to make... so what exactly are you arguing?
I thought the point Death Boo was trying to make was about Naruto's seal, and what the Kyuubi's behavior reveals about it. And my point was that it really doesn't reveal much, because (1) his characterization of Shukaku as "not a raging beast" seems wrong to me, and (2) Naruto is obviously pissed, and not in the mood to talk. He talked to Sasuke while transforming.

I didn't mention this point, but Killabee/Octobull makes this whole thing even more confusing, since now there are THREE known jinchuuriki/bijuu pairs that pretty much act completely differently. (Though I think Naruto is probably closer to being like Killabee/Octobull than Gaara/Shukaku -- it seems like Killabee tamed Octobull. At the time the Shukaku came out, Gaara had long lost that battle. Who knows if he did during the time-jump.)