Gundam 00 Season 2 Episode 25

[Buffalobiian]

I'm not as disappointed as Masa. I was expecting this to be more simply minded, action based mecha, much like what Yuki was talking about.

The second season sure did boil down to Good vs Evil, but I liked the pacing a lot better. The first season felt slow, and development on any introduced concepts stopped, as if it was lost for direction. Season Two chose the flashy Shounen fights and stuck to it, so in that regard I found this an improvement, if I dare say so, over the first.

I thoroughly enjoyed Hal owning Hilling, even if he stupidly charged in for a kamikaze attack when he should have taken out both claws. Clearly Hal was a bit too in control there when he smacked the enemy with his gun and busted it in the process.

Lockon's was equally good.
"You're mine!!"
"No....I fuck YOU..stabs and releases.

Kati got promoted to General, but that's not nearly as impressive as Patrick's. He went from Jackass-O-Test pilot cannon fodder to Colasawar-the-Immortal's F*ing Man cannon fodder. Kati's looked better, since the whole makeup/hair makes her seem older. Very happy to see that Patrick's finally won a battle.



I had a good laugh at the Jupiter scene, with the whole "aliens have awakened" feel. That should be interesting.

Gundam 00: Contact with the GN Kind!

(Strong closure I guess. Simple minded stuff which that's good entertainment as long as you didn't expect too much.)

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Edit: After Flashy Gundam Syndrome subsided, there were a few points I was really annoyed that they didn't tie up.

- The Choice of Meisters. Back in the days of I'll-shoot-your-back Tieria and I'm-Gundam Setsuna, it was stated specifically that Veda chose each Meister for a specific reason. Was it simply because they all wanted to resolve conflict? There could have been easily many more candidates if that was it. Was Setsuna someone special who was fit to be the first innovator? Is it as simple as sitting in 00-cockpit for a year = innovator or something more complex.

Furthering that, was does become an Innovator mean? Precognition? Ultra-reflexes? How does an innovator guide humanity?

Possibly the most vexed part is how Aeolia's plan was sort of thrown in in then discarded, amongst other things. Eifman's realisation was the epitome of where that got. As soon as Veda got hacked, everyone was just using the term "Aeolia's Plan" at their convenience.

At some point in the epilogue, is it too much to ask for Tieria to have stumbled across a prerecording of Aeolia's reactions (and eplanations) if the world was united and peace was kept?

What's funny is, after all this, Marina and her song played almost no part in ending the conflict whatsoever.

[shinta|hikari]

About your last statement, isn't that the best thing that has happened in the entire second season?

This show was utter crap.

[TheBladeChild]

This show was utter crap.

At least its good-looking crap. GSD had not only a shit story, but the production value went to shit as the series wore progressed.

[masamuneehs]

really[/B] annoyed that they didn't tie up.

- The Choice of Meisters. Back in the days of I'll-shoot-your-back Tieria and I'm-Gundam Setsuna, it was stated specifically that Veda chose each Meister for a specific reason. Was it simply because they all wanted to resolve conflict? There could have been easily many more candidates if that was it. Was Setsuna someone special who was fit to be the first innovator? Is it as simple as sitting in 00-cockpit for a year = innovator or something more complex.

Furthering that, was does become an Innovator mean? Precognition? Ultra-reflexes? How does an innovator guide humanity?

Actually, while we never are told how Veda picked the ...Gundam pilots, one thing was stated a few episodes back: Setsuna became a pilot because Ribbons picked him. Ribbons tells Setsuna that he was so struck by Setsuna's awe for him, when he first appeared in the 0 Gundam, that not only did Ribbons violate the orders of "nobody there can be left alive", but that he wanted to see Setsuna grow and mature (largely, i suppose, because Ribbons loved the fact that Setsuna, knowingly or not, regarded him as some kind of God.)

You can assume they picked Allelujah because of his latent Super Soldier abilities (though having a split-personality pilot is a seeming OOPS, for Veda), and, well, Tieria... I don't have any idea.

How does one become an Innovator? How does one get SEED mode? How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? I'm pretty sure the best we'll ever get here is some kind of vague Jedi mind trick hand wave, something along the lines of "When a person with a strong desire to reach out to the world absorbs XXX GN particles..." Of course, one of the baffling things is how only Setsuna and Ribbons became Innovators. The fact that it's both of them essentially means there can be no moral requirement (no "pure heart" bullshit), and Ribbons, being specially engineered and Setsuna being a run of the mill normal person make it seem like genetics aren't really involved either.

As for what being an Innovator entails, I think the only sure thing is that they have great abilities to project and receive quantum brain waves, such as Ribbons breaking into the other Innovades' minds (even 'false' Innovades like Louise) and Setsuna being able to do the GN Moonlight Butterfly Wave Disruptor. Of course, one of the most impressive exhibits of controlling quantum brain waves utilitzing the GN Particle bullshit comes from neither of these two, but from Saji, when he is able to manifest an entire room, clothing, and that view of the Earth because "he wanted to show it to Louise".

also, being an Innovator gives you a +100 to your Coolness stat base.

But, if anyone has some real deal stats / proof as to what makes Innovators what they are and what it means to be one...

[Kraco]

The fact that it's both of them essentially means there can be no moral requirement (no "pure heart" bullshit), and Ribbons, being specially engineered and Setsuna being a run of the mill normal person make it seem like genetics aren't really involved either.

Actually Ribbons might have had pure enough heart. He genuinely believed he's a Homo superior, meant to lead the whole mankind into a great destiny, though great sacrifices might be needed. Of course from the point of view of most others, such is delusional megalomania, but it doesn't change the purity of his internal state of affairs.

Setsuna also shared some similar state of mind, fervently believing in his own way and that what he's doing is right and proper. Purity of heart.