Yeah I'm ready for anyone to help naruto out at this point.
And hopefully if yahiko-pain is done for now after all that we should probably see that. If he does meet up with sakura and them the first thing I'd do is tell gai to go find kakashi quick so sakura can save his life....
/tear
Naruto threw 5 rasen-shurrikens and only one actually killed a pain body. That's kinda depressing
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
well there's your counter argument to whoever says Pain went down too easy. but youre right, he did throw those out way too uselesslyOriginally Posted by Assertn
No way those Rasenshirukens were used uselessly or thrown around in a haphazard manner. In fact, the very first one he threw was the one thrown with the least care. It's also the one that took out one of the bodies. Every other Rasenshiruken was thrown with a deception and a combination attack, with Naruto using the shirukens to force Pain into a trap where a less flashy technique would then be used to take him out. And it makes sense to do it that way, because it's kind of hard to hide the fact that you're getting ready to use that technique. Also, Pain just had 2 ways of dealing with the attack itself: absorb the attack, and repel the attack.
As far as the love interest thing is concerned, I seriously don't think Naruto'll end up with Sakura. The reason is, back at the beginning of the pre time-skip chase Sasuke arc, Naruto came to terms that Sasuke is the one that Sakura was interested in. Without Sakura giving Naruto to believe otherwise, he'd keep that conclusion in his head. And she hasn't given him reason to think otherwise. I mean, we've seen Naruto try and make passes on her after that in shippuuden, but nothing very serious occured. By that, I mean nothing happened between the two of them to overwrite the fact that Naruto came to the conclusion that Sakura's interest was in Sasuke. Hinata's revelation is going to give Naruto something to think about.
edit: and yes. Pain can't die yet. We need more information on the rinnegan. It'd suck if we didn't get it.
Jeez, what are you guys complaining about? Naruto only has three or four kage level jutsu, but he's smart and strong enough to string them together into an effective plan. He succeeded where Jiraiya failed -- indeed, the information Jiraiya gave Konoha was irrelevant to the fight against the Pein bodies.
Yes, it would be super sweet for Naruto/Konoha if the Rasenshuriken was an instantly-kill-anybody-no-matter-who-it-is move. But that would be really boring and even Konoha's best (the Third, the Fourth, Orochimaru (kind of), Itachi, and Jiraiya) don't have moves that good.
Heck, Naruto can grow clones to collect Sage chakra for him, and call on the Kyuubi for a moment to disrupt them, and collect it all. He can apparently summon shadow clones anywhere he wants, in any shape he wants. And if he really needs to, he can use Kyuubi chakra -- a giant Kyuubi Rasengan like the one Jiraiya used, but much much bigger, could work very well for Naruto if he can figure out how to tame the Kyuubi like Killabee did. Give him some time, and you'll see Naruto string lots more impressive kage level jutsu together, like the Third did against Orochimaru.
What more do you want from Naruto? Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Majin Buu, Cell, Frieza, and potentially Madara or Sasuke or Mr. Satan (yeah right to the last three), are about the only people who could properly kick his ass at this point.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
Yeah I figured someone would be thoughtless enough to post something like that sooner or later. If not for Jiraiya not only would Naruto have lost this fight but Konoha would have been obliterated alot sooner too. I don't get why you don't see that.
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If you don't get why I don't see it, explain it better.
The way I see it, Jiraiya told Konoha that Nagato was controlling the bodies remotely. That didn't matter one bit to Naruto, who has been handily beating Pein's bodies down and has hardly paid any attention to Nagato. Hell, Jiraiya didn't even share the most vital piece of information about Pein's fighting capabilities -- that they share each other's vision. That is very much unlike other puppet jutsu.
I am not dismissing Jiraiya's contribution. The only reason Naruto thought to look for Nagato was because of the hint he was given. Nagato can now be dealt with, instead of being a recurring threat.
I also don't see why Konoha would have been destroyed "a lot sooner", considering that Pein showed up to Konoha "today" in the manga. Moreover, he was ordered to Konoha immediately after fighting Jiraiya. It's been about two weeks since Jiraiya died, in the manga.
Last edited by poopdeville; Sat, 04-04-2009 at 11:32 AM.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
I wasn't arguing whether or not he used the shurikens effectively. I was arguing that his hyped-up move was repeatedly overshadowed by standard rasengans for pretty much the entire match.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I dread having to explain things
Anyway first of all, Naruto wasn't handily doing anything. The only reason Naruto seemed to have been overpowering Pain when he first showed up was because Pain was wiped from just having blown up the village I think that would have been clear by now. As soon as Pain recovered I remember him handily taking care of Naruto's sage mode.
And you should check before you post things like that because Jiraiya or more specifically Fukasaku did tell them about their shared field of vision. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/422/09/
Hint what hint are you talking about. Are you talking about when Katsuyu specifically tells Naruto that those bodies were just puppets and the real Pain was controlling them from somewhere nearby after Shikamaru and the others had figured it out or later when Pain confirmed it himself.
2 weeks, huh, by my best estimation its been just a little over a week since Jiraiya died either way it doesn't make much of a difference. Anyway you got something wrong there, he was ordered to capture Naruto immediately before his battle with Jiraiya. As I recall he told Zetsu he was just on his way to Konoha when Jiraiya showed up. That is significant for two reasons, the obvious one being that it bought Konoha time. Not only did Jiraiya provide Konoha with a great deal of information on Pain but he delayed Pain's arrival because Pain needed to get a new body to replace the one Jiraiya took out. The second thing is sage mode, Naruto didn't have it then and if Jiraiya hadn't fought Pain and died Naruto wouldn't have it now and he certainly wouldn't have been able to defeat Pain without it. If Pain had attacked Konoha when he was first ordered to not only would it have been a slaughter but it would have been a complete loss on Konoha's part.
Every little bit of information they got about Pain led to his downfall. Whether it was Jiraiya's clues that eventually led to them figuring out that the bodies were all just puppets or Kakashi figuring out the short interval of time in which Pain couldn't use his powers, which was the immediate cause for his defeat. Everyone played their part. It took Jiraiya, Konoha, Naruto going 8 tails, and 2 stints in sage mode to defeat Pain and in the end it still seems like the only reason he lost was because he ran out of power
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okay, yeah, i'm with poopdevile. I don't get how Pain's not-really-being-there affected Naruto's plan of just killing all the clones and looking for the real one later? even though like Shika and a squad did that whole planning to find the real one thing, it didn't affect this at all. unless of course we find out next week that the rasengan hit a clone, and the clone's clone pops up and wipes out naruto and then shika and the squad take out the real one...
i don't understand how knowing that it's a clone affected their (naruto's) battle tactics. the shared vision? yeah. the interval in between magnetic bursts? yeah. those both affected the way he fought pain. but he never made any move to go after the real one. maybe it'll affect his feeling of victory after he kills the last clone and he thinks "awman, after all that it's still not over.. dang." I could kind of see how that could play in. but whatever.
oh, and yeah, sorry to ask the same question taht was asked at the top of the page. but
^that post doesn't say anything othe than nit-pick at irrelevant mis-wordings.
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^That post really says nothing useful at all.
Oh, and this post says nothing useful either. Amusing.
Anyways, to point out one thing Abdula said, Naruto was already late arriving when he did, so even if Jiraiya only bought 15 minutes (that can be disputed quite a bit) it was still crucial. Not to mention his death brough about a small, but in my opinion, significant back story (Naruto's mom and dad, the whole novel thing, the fact that his death has played a very large role in Naruto's "resolve").
A completely off-topic, irrelevant, and possibly useless point: I understand Abdula isn't very liked, heck we have even bumped heads a few times, but i've got to say it's getting horribly redundant and boring to constantly see how most forum posters dislike him. To be honest he's one of the few people to actually offer well argued and thought out arguments, so maybe a few forum members should drop their man-crush and focuss on actually writing something worth while to read?
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uh yeah.. my post doesn't say anything useful because i was more asking him to explain (what he says should be obvious) how Jaraiya's message that the real Pain isn't there and the one's they're fighting are puppets, affected the outcome of this fight? the frogs gave konoha a ton of info on pain, about the different abilities, the shared vision, all that stuff. and yeah, that really helped. that's how they won. but i just don't see how knowing the fact that they're all clones affected their tactics, or the outcome.
I'm not saying that Jaraiya's death wasn't crucial, or unnecessary. it was significant indeed.
and uh (continuing off-topic), I have no problem with Abdula, and yeah, it is super annoying when in ever chapter topic the first time he posts everyone has to respond like "uggg, here he comes. so much for having a nice topic" and it feels like everyone seems compelled to argue him, and just be stupid. Yeah, he does seem to like to argue, but I don't know about the "well thought out arguments".
if they were "well thought out arguments" then when poopdeville bluntly asked him to simply explain how knowing that they're all clones, and the real one isn't there affected Naruto's fighting tactics, he would have simply answered him. Poopdeville wasn't arguing, he asked a simple question (a request for a better explanation), explained where he was coming from, and the way he was looking at it.
Abdula responded by breaking up his post, picking out every other line where there was something that wasn't 100% accurate or 100% literal, and smugly acting like he's superior by correcting them all, (far be it for there to be any sense of hyperbole or mis-wordings in this thread.) while forgetting to actually answer the simply asked question. there was no need to argue that post, if it was so obvious and simple, he should have just explained it, and then we could all say "ohh, that's an interesting point. i sure didn't think about it that way". no, now we're all nit-picking every little irrelevant mistake trying to put ourselves 1 paragraph above another forum user.
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Rasenshuriken is Naruto's "omfg I can't get hit by that" jutsu. Every good ninja needs one. Just like any kind of battle, you need to apply pressure in some way or another and the Rasenshuriken does that. The thing that is dangerous about the Rasenshuriken is actually the fact that Naruto DID throw 5 of them lol. The fact that he can use his ace jutsu so many times is really freaking scary. And the fact that the technique right under Rasenshuriken is actually a good finishing move too (Rasengan) means that just because you dodged Rasenshuriken, it doesn't mean things will get easier. That is truely an ace jutsu.
Well, I don't know if it was mentioned in the on-going argument, but without Jiraiya's sacrifice/information, to Konoha/Naruto, Pain wouldn't have been perceived as what he is right now. Instead of it being 6 "bodies" with 1 specific ability each, it'd be 6 Akatsuki's attacking Konoha. That completely changes the game, strategically.
Knowing that each Pain can only do one thing is a huge strategic advantage. Would they have figured that out eventually? Probably. But Konoha has managed to dodge complete annihilation by having this information BEFORE the attack started.
Last edited by FireEmblem; Sun, 04-05-2009 at 10:41 PM.
I'm sorry but that's just complaining for the sake of complaining
Not one of the rasenshurikens thrown were useless, every single one was either an attack or bait to redirect pain's attention from a less flashy but still very effective attack that would eventually take out one of his bodies
If all the bodies had been killed using that jutsu you'd be complaining on how naruto always used the same move or how his style of fighting was as retarded as ever...
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