Naruto Chapter 442

[Sidnne]

oh, he said immediately "after" in stead of "before" no big deal, a simple mis-wording.

There's actually a pretty big difference between "after" and "before". In fact, they're sort of opposites...

It's more than a simple "mis-wording", its a pretty important observation to note when regarding the time frame and the impact of Jiraiya's fight with Pein in terms of buying Konoha time.

i disagree with that, because the code was sketched into the toads back. all the other information was more the toads going "oh yeah, when we were fighting them they like.. did this stuff". that's the info from the toads. the toads relied on their own observations, intel gatherings, and memory, to give them all the information on Pain. the only information that jiraiya 100% guaranteed konoha was the message "the real one isn't there" (well, maybe the captured nin too.).

The toads were fighting Pein? Jiraiya had nothing to do with that?

They got their "observations, intel gatherings, and memory" by watching Jiraiya fight Pein.

Think a little before you post. If anyone is "nit-picking" here, it's you. So much so that while you're busy doing that, you're completely missing the explanation that you claim to be in search of.

[Pandadice]

There's actually a pretty big difference between "after" and "before". In fact, they're sort of opposites...

It's more than a simple "mis-wording", its a pretty important observation to note when regarding the time frame and the impact of Jiraiya's fight with Pein in terms of buying Konoha time.



The toads were fighting Pein? Jiraiya had nothing to do with that?

They got their "observations, intel gatherings, and memory" by watching Jiraiya fight Pein.

Think a little before you post. If anyone is "nit-picking" here, it's you. So much so that while you're busy doing that, you're completely missing the explanation that you claim to be in search of.

okay, if it's so simple. if it's actually in the posts. if it's already all been explained, and i'm just reading over it, missing it entirely, then please, please just quote it, put it in bold, i don't care. just plainly show me where it is, and i'll read it. if it's in the chapters, please link me to a page, and i will read it. i don't care. you all seem to get how Naruto's knowledge that he's fighting clones made him use different tactics than if he didn't know, but I don't.

I'm not asking for people to differentiate between the frogs or jiraiya, it doesn't matter and is completely irrelevant to what i'm asking whether or not jiraiya or the frogs told them about the vision, or the abilities, or the bodies or whatever.

all i'm interested in is someone simply explaining how the message "the real one isn't there" affected Naruto's battle tactics. if you can just link me to a page in a chapter, that would be fine. that is all i've been interested in since the start.

much obliged.

[Sidnne]

all i'm interested in is someone simply explaining how the message "the real one isn't there" affected Naruto's battle tactics. if you can just link me to a page in a chapter, that would be fine. that is all i've been interested in since the start.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/441/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/441/14/

There ya go.

If he hadn't known that the real one wasn't with them, he would have been fighting Pein as 6 different ninja, not realizing that they were all puppets controlled by the someone who isn't present.
Now then, without Konoha having the knowledge of the message of the real one not being with them, they would never have been trying to find information about Pein's identity from the capture rain nin or from the dead body. This: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/436/04/ would not have happened.

And after this: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/17/ they would have assumed that Pein was completely finished and left Nagato free to create more bodies and attack again later. But having the information allows them to go after Nagato to finish him off once and for all.

To sum it up, the "battle tactics" that are derived from the information are "I need to clear these puppets out my way first, then go after the end boss." Instead of "I've got to stop these 6 guys."