What Kakashi said on the subject contradicts your rant.Originally Posted by Sidnne
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/316/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/316/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/316/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/316/08/
I think that's why people assume that new abilities outside of the 6 elemental chakras are bloodline limits.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
Do you realize that you get dumber every time you post? You have possibly the worst reading comprehension out of anyone on these forums. Somehow, you almost always manage to take what someone says, confuse yourself with it, and interpret it as something that usually isn't even close to its intended meaning.
Now, allow me to attempt to enlighten you, even though you probably won't be able to grasp one bit of what I say.
I didn't ask why people assume that new abilities "outside of the 6 elemental chakras" are bloodline limits. I asked why people have such a fascination with bloodlines that they want to assume every character has one or that every ability we haven't seen yet is one. In other words, why are people such fanboys for bloodline limits that they want every character to have one and every ability to be one?
(edit: and just so we're extra clear; its a hypothetical question. I'm not really interested in peoples' personal opinions as to why they have a hard-on for bloodline limits)
And I’m fully aware of Kakashi’s explanation, and if you had any reading comprehension you would realize that his explanation is actually referenced by my post and not contradicted by it.
Here it is again:
A bloodline limit consists of multiple elements, but that does not mean that multiple elements is automatically a bloodline limit. In order for one to have a bloodline limit, it would have to be in his, well... bloodline.
Not really sure how to make that any clearer; that seems pretty cut and dry to me. But, maybe Kakashi can explain it for you better: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/25/14/
Now, going back to Sam’s post (to which mine was in response), just because Nagato can use all of the elements does not mean he would be able to use the bloodline limits that we have seen. If he has a bloodline limit, it would be the Rinnegan. He would not be able to use other limits, such as Haku’s ice jutsus or Kimimaro’s bone jutsus because those jutsus were part of their bloodline (hence why it is called a bloodline limit) and Nagato does not share their bloodline.
Once more:
A bloodline limit consists of multiple elements, but that does not mean that multiple elements is automatically a bloodline limit. In order for one to have a bloodline limit, it would have to be in his, well... bloodline.
And as Archangel said, anytime a bloodline limit has appeared in the manga, it has been explicitly stated as such. There is no reason to assume a bloodline limit.
So, as usual, I must remind you to please think before you post.
Last edited by Sidnne; Sat, 05-09-2009 at 10:03 AM.
That's more applicable to you. It's sad to see someone project their insecurities onto others. Unfortunately, they appear to be true about you.
Because elemental natures other than the main six are combinations of the main natures, and those combinations are only possible with a bloodline limit, as Kakashi explained.I didn't ask why people assume that new abilities "outside of the 6 elemental chakras" are bloodline limits. I asked why people have such a fascination with bloodlines that they want to assume every character has one or that every ability we haven't seen yet is one. In other words, why are people such fanboys for bloodline limits that they want every character to have one and every ability to be one?
What part of "The ability to use two elements simultaneously and create a new element to manipulate... that is what is called a kekkei genkai" is unclear to you? Kakashi is clearly saying that bloodline limits are THE ABILITY TO USE TWO CHAKRA NATURES AT THE SAME TIME.And I’m fully aware of Kakashi’s explanation, and if you had any reading comprehension you would realize that his explanation is actually referenced by my post and not contradicted by it.
Here it is again:
A bloodline limit consists of multiple elements, but that does not mean that multiple elements is automatically a bloodline limit. In order for one to have a bloodline limit, it would have to be in his, well... bloodline.
Let put what you said right next to that:
"A bloodline limit consists of multiple elements, but that does not mean that multiple elements is automatically a bloodline limit."
Do you see why that is obviously wrong? I hope so. Otherwise you fail at basic english, which is fair enough for a foreigner, but not for somebody accusing others of having poor reading comprehension.
I'll even help you out, and get rid of the ellipses in Kakashi's quote:
"The ability to use two elements simultaneously and create a new element to manipulate is called a bloodline limit." Yes, this DOES mean being able to use two elements simultaneously implies that the user has a bloodline limit. That is because of what "is" and "are" mean.
Last edited by poopdeville; Tue, 05-12-2009 at 10:02 PM.
"After all, I am strangely colored."
BURNED!
( Actually: FAIL! )
That is technically true. Multiple elements *together* make a bloodline; being able to use multiple elements separately isn't. I think that's what he was getting at, so this is just a misunderstanding.
You are also correct in saying that *elements* outside the six are bloodlines. I don't think you two are reading each others statements very well. Maybe you guys are just reading what you want to read because you don't fancy each other so much. The reason you guys can argue is because you are both right. Neither of you contradict the other, you're talking about similar but different things.
Also, take note that Kakashi said "to create a new element." Would this not imply that if you use two elements together but do not create a new element, it's not a bloodline limit?
Lastly, I still don't see what element summoning is besides space/time, and I don't think summoning is a bloodline limit. However, it might be a bloodline simply because you made a blood pact with the animal and now your blood is technically what allows you to summon, but it's not an innate ability like most other bloodlines.
She really likes origami...
Last edited by Sam98034; Wed, 05-13-2009 at 01:00 AM.
Then naruto's new ultimate jutsu is gonna be the ramengan -_-
I believe we should discuss this further. How do another 2 pages of Internet rage sound?Maybe its a bloodline limit
You asked a question and I did my best to answer it for you. And the thanks I get is some half-assed, sarcastic remark. Maybe if you paid attention to the Manga you would realize that she explained this to Jiraiya. She actually majored in Origamic Arts with a minor in Water Color Painting at the Rain Institute of Ninjitsu. But I bet that went over your head because you can't comprehend a word of English to save your life. How about you show people a little respect when they try to help you out, jackass. Don't take it out on me because your mom is overweight and very loose, and because you were picked on as a kid for being such a loser, and because no one would go with you to the prom.
I'ma justa keeeding
Don't worry about him, he just isn't used to being left out of the arguments so he felt the need to troll for attention.
I don't know about you guys, but I was just going along with this. Am I wrong?
Oh, for the love of...
You must be the world's greatest internet troll, because there's just no way anyone can truly be this stupid.
As I've said before, I know what Kakashi said about the chakra elements. I have read it and I have referenced it. There is no need for you to keep repeating it and using it as the basis of your argument, because I have never disputed what he said. You were the one who brought that up in the thread assuming that it somehow contradicts anything that I said, when it in fact supports what I said.
This was the original statement from Sam that I was responding to (again, as I've said, yet you continue to ignore): "btw, since Pain can use all 6 elements, he could theoretically have all the bloodline jutsus too right?"
I responded to that by saying (and I'll include the part that you decided to leave, since it is quite relevant), "A bloodline limit consists of multiple elements, but that does not mean that multiple elements is automatically a bloodline limit. In order for one to have a bloodline limit, it would have to be in his, well... bloodline."
Now, if you'd like, I can reword that to say "Just because Nagato has the ability to use all 6 elements, does not automatically mean that he can use all of the bloodline jutsus."
In other words: An orange is round, but that does not mean that all round things are oranges.
Do you follow so far?
The reason being is that it is not enough to qualify as a bloodline limit just to be able to use multiple elements. As you are so adamant to point out, it also requires combining them to form a new element, which at no point have I disputed.
But, as I also said, it is a part of their lineage (or bloodline), and I even linked the page where Kakashi explained that, but you seem to want to ignore that as well.
Is any of this making sense yet?
Therefore, based on that, it can be said that there are 3 aspects to a bloodline limit:
1. There must be multiple elements invloved.
2. They must be combined to form a "new" element
3. The ability to use and combine the elements to form that specific "new" element must be passed down from and limited to the character's bloodline.
I will go ahead and add a 4th aspect for the sake of argument by reiterating: It must also be explicitly stated and confirmed by the author to be a bloodline limit in order for all to accept it as such.
Got it?
I can't believe I had to go into this much of a breakdown on what was really a simple answer to a simple question simply because you failed to acknowledge the question or recognize the answer. Maybe if you would actually read what I say, without ignoring half of it, it would make more sense to you.
BTW: Hypothetical Question: Definition: A question asked out of interest, which does not require an answer, as the answer will have no effect on the situation.
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