jeez... page 10 was the worst splash page composition ive every seen kishimoto do ...
jeez... page 10 was the worst splash page composition ive every seen kishimoto do ...
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Not all of the Uchiha were in on the revolt. From what we've seen, it was actually only a small part. So for Danzo to execute the whole clan for the workings of a few would be like killing all Somalian's because a few are Pirates.
Also, a quality of being a good leader is having people trust you and your judgment. Who trusts Danzo? Hell, even his brainwashed lackey Sai is having doubts.
This is all leading to one eventuality. We'll see Sai kill Danzo. One way or another it's going to happen. It practically has to happen. Sai has to discover that Danzo killed Shin or ordered him killed. Otherwise all this buildup is pointless.
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Surely that light-haired Kumogakure Ninja lady is somewhere nearby. The first two wouldn't rush into a fight without her (unless she's as useless as Sakura always is).
Twice during this chapter Kishimoto mentions the upcoming elections in Konoha. I had no idea Konoha was a republic. Since Danzo is a man notorious for shady deeds (shady even by ninja standards), I'll assume that he has some trick up his sleeve for election day. Hanging chad no jutsu!
Thanks for the welcome Abdula. If you remember me, you may remember that I'm nearly always wrong when I make predictions.
"I'm certain Sasuke will be a chuunin at the end of these exams."
"Chouji is dead for sure"
"Lee is just now going in for treatment. He can't recover in time to fight Kimimaro."
"I bet Naruto will be the one to kill Itachi. That'll piss Sasuke off"
"No, I doubt there will be a time jump."
I can't think of a single prediction I ever got right.
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We all got screwed with that one.Originally Posted by samsonlonghair
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either way you look at it, Kakashi would make a better Hokage than either of them. He's probably the perfect mix of Danzo and Tsunade.
At this rate, Naruto will never become Hokage. He's pretty much the strongest ninja in the village we know of and no one even gives him a first thought when selecting a new Hokage.
It's all technicalities, the Hokage needs to make a toast during new years, and Naruto can't drink yet. so he's out of the game.
seriously, you didn't really expect them to put a 16 years old boy as their leader, did you?
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Well sandaime was like 12 >_>, but anyway doesn't 9th hokage sound kinda fitting for naruto? Having kyuubi and all..
That would mean Kakashi 7th, someone else 8th, Naruto 9th. Far fetched I know.
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The Third Hokage was like 12. The Fourth Hokage wasn't much older than Naruto.
I find it strange to call people who train constantly and win basically every fight they get in "soft". Maybe that's just me. Konoha is strong enough to defend its will of fire. Indeed, that is what the will of fire is. The will to defend Konoha's way of life.
Orochimaru had different thoughts on the matter, and look where it got him. Yup, assholes like Orochimaru like to "make things happen". And Konoha was stronger than him. That is the point of maintaining a strong peaceful military -- to have the ability to defend oneself from attack. Someone stronger than Orochimaru could have fucked Konoha up good. But that's true whether Konoha was attacking or defending.
Consider this scenario: Konoha goes to war against an unknown force. If this was a war of aggression, would Konoha's their ninjas suddenly going to become stronger? No, of course not. So the risk of winning and losing is the same, whether they attack or defend.
At best, they win and are hated. At worst, they LOSE THE WAR, and are in a much worse political position relative to the other countries.
Compare this to the scenario when Konoha doesn't go to war of aggression. At best, nothing at all happens. In the middle (on the bad side), an unknown force attacks. At worst, they LOSE THE WAR and are fucked politically just the same as if they had attacked.
On the other hand, espionage is a much lesser evil, and (relatively speaking) a good thing in this context. I would like to see more of that, from everybody.
Either way a war starts, Konoha has to fight for its life and survival. Wars of aggression unnecessarily leave Konoha open to risk of losing. For basically no gain.
Edit: there is also another concrete reason to dislike Danzou (or even suspect he is Madara). Danzou is using the same training methods that Madara and the Hidden Mist Village use/used -- killing your friend to gain power, a practice Madara instituted in both the Uchiha clan and the Mist.
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I'm expecting her to show up and reveal to the two that just attacked Naruto that Naruto was the one that defeated Pain and that getting into a fight with Konoha's hero is probably a bad idea for the political relations between the Cloud and the Leaf.
To be leader, you have to balance political battles with real battles, the President of the United States is the leader of the U.S and the policies he dictates shape the world, same with Konoha... For all intents and purposes Konoha is a military force, and their policies and the balances they bring affect all 5 nations. Tsunade never wanted to be the Hokage but was sought out because she knew how to balance the political strife and military might of Konoha. The only soft spot she had was for Naruto and in turn Naruto convinced her that he could bring back Sasuke. We are all assuming that with this new information, that Tsunade herself wouldn't have done the same as Danzo.
Give it some time, we will see if the policies started by Danzo are really in line with the good of the villiage or will it lead it to further ruin. Because it can't be good policy to let other countries kill your elite Ninja either...
If Sasuke is a missing nin now, shouldn't Konoha take it upon themselves to hunt him down and dispose of him? Why is it simply a matter of giving the clound ninjas permission to kill Sasuke? Do they want the secrets of the Sharingan to fall into the hands of a rival village.
If the sharingan is as great as it is, I wonder if anyone made an attempt to salvage the eyes of all those Uchiha that were massacred by Itachi. Somebody should have put in more effort into researching Sharingan transplantation, given Kakashi's success with it. A transplanted sharingan may not be as good as the real deal, but it seems alot better than no Sharingan at all.
And to think all this sort of research would be right up Orochimaru's alley.Looking back, Konoha has really let some of their most valuable assets just walk away. It does bring into question the credibility of past leaderships. I wonder how a guy like Danzou would have handled it all.
Konoha in the past seems to have been handled more like a goodwill brotherhood than a true ninja village. They are supposed to be in the military business. What matters most is getting stronger, not upholding moral values. The countries don't rely on ninja villages to teach them to be more virtuous, I believe they have temples and priests for that.
At the end of the day, they are pretty much Assassins for hire. If they dream of world peace and flowery meadows, boy did they pick the wrong profession. I wonder if ninja villages allow people with other dreams and aspirations to leave the village.
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Isn't that what Konoha is pretty much all about? You know, the whole will of fire thing.
This bugs the crap out of me too, but it was addressed by the Raikage earlier on. So at least we know it's not an oversight by Kishimoto (that is to say, he's aware of the confusing double standard regarding the Sharingan and Byakugan).
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/417/13/
Hopefully more will be revealed next chapter to explain why Danzo is willing to let the Sharingan potentially fall into the hands of enemies.
That paradox has been a major theme in this manga from the very beginning, hasn't it? Way back in the Zabuza arc when Naruto decided he wanted to become a "ninja in his own way" as opposed to being a tool used for war.
I think that's why I'm leaning towards accepting Danzo as a figure of power. It's Kishimoto's "realistic" leader among a village of idealists.
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I don't know man I'm wondering if you read my posts?
That's my point exactly. If you want someone to lead a ninja village then I can't think of anyone better than Danzo but I believe it was Zabuza who said that Naruto and co. were just kids playing at being ninjas and that is why Danzo would never work as the Hokage.
Konoha is way too soft and every last one of them buys into the will of fire doctrine. Konoha's beliefs are just too entirely unrealistic for me to actually believe that a ninja village like that could have lasted as long as they have much less be as powerful as they are if not for people like Danzo.
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My Bad sorry, I sometimes skip your essays, but for the most part I do agree with what you say.
As for the will of fire thing, its mainly there as a tool. How else to you convince people to lay down their lives for the villiage? Some people are motivated my money, others by reputation, and some believe they need a higher calling, say the protection of their villiage.
The will of fire philosophy is to keep people fighting if you ask me. I believe what I believe in and I can kill you or die to make sure my way is the correct way.
Worked in pretty much all of history.
it's a common misconception. people believe that the scene in the 3rd's flashback (when he sees the light in the past and the first and second hokage tell him to take care of the village) really happened, ant that it wasn't a 'dream' symbolic sequence.
sure, I can't bring evidence that it is a dream. but I think it's more logical than saying they trusted a kid with the position (so when did he find the time to train Jiraya, Tsunade and Orochimaru if he was Hokage so young?)
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You guys need to stop debating that BS, the only proof we have about when he became hokage was that flashback, and no naruto flashback up till now was just some symbolic shit that never happened. They all happened.
Sandaime was the youngest hokage ever and he became it around ~12, remember he was one of the most powerful ninja in history and the most powerful hokage to date. Kakashi was how old again when he became a jounin? Exactly, he and Itachi were killing jounin before naruto even became a genin.
And they weren't even close to the level Sarutobi was in his prime, not even remotely close, so stop doubting that this "kid" couldn't have become it.
Kage is simply the most powerful ninja in the village, even after he reassumed the position he still had the military advisors etc.., so as a kid he would've surely had at least one person to guide him.
I must have forgotten where either of these facts were stated.
I assume DBZ was referring to this scene, in which case, the only thing that can be inferred is that Sarutobi became Hokage after he trained the Sannin (since the pictures are shown in chronological order), or at least until he was old enough to grow facial hair. Sarutobi is also shown training the sannin in a flashback, and he doesn't seem to be Hokage there, and he certainly is much older than 12 years old.
Clearly not, as we just saw a meeting concerning the qualifications for becoming Hokage two chapters ago, and "power" barely came up as criteria.Kage is simply the most powerful ninja in the village.
Also that one dude said "Minato was even younger" meaning the 4th is probably regarded as the "young Hokage". Pretty sure if Sarutobi had been 12, that would have come up.
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