Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
So basically what you're saying is that Moria's defeat wasn't as decisive as the ones suffered by Luffy's other main foes because there were too many variables?
Right. As I said:

Quote Originally Posted by Splash!
Luffy hasn't beaten a real villain ON HIS OWN since Lucci. The defeat of Moria was far from convincing.
Factoring in Nightmare Luffy and the strawhat's previous engagement of Oz, I would not count this as a victory by his own means. I guess the choice of words was a bit strong. Moria's defeat was not so much 'far from convincing' as it was 'not as convincing'.