Naruto Chapter 500

[Sidnne]

Everybody in Konoha thought Madara was dead. Jiraiya and Itachi the only ones (we know of) who had doubts about the story. So there's no reason for Minato and Kuina to think it was him.

Good . Now try to think about this in the context of this being a story, written by a human author, being read by a human audience, which already has knowledge and awareness of the situation.

[poopdeville]

Good . Now try to think about this in the context of this being a story, written by a human author, being read by a human audience, which already has knowledge and awareness of the situation.

It would be a plothole if Minato and Kushina knew it was Madara. That's the context.

So your complaint amounts to "It might MAYBE be somebody other than Madara, despite the fact that they can't have known he is the number one suspect, and they are acting exactly how they should have even if it was Madara."

Fine, it COULD be somebody else. The rest of the manga doesn't support the theory, especially since Jiraiya and Itachi went out of their way to confirm, in a narrative sense, that he is Madara.

Let's not forget that you were whining at me for thinking Madara COULD have been Danzou, about this time last year. I had a stronger argument for it then than you do now.

[Sidnne]

It would be a plothole if Minato and Kushina knew it was Madara. That's the context.

So your complaint amounts to "It might MAYBE be somebody other than Madara, despite the fact that they can't have known he is the number one suspect, and they are acting exactly how they should have even if it was Madara."

Fine, it COULD be somebody else. The rest of the manga doesn't support the theory, especially since Jiraiya and Itachi went out of their way to confirm, in a narrative sense, that he is Madara.

Let's not forget that you were whining at me for thinking Madara COULD have been Danzou, about this time last year. I had a stronger argument for it then than you do now.

It's no more a plothole for Minato and Kushina to know its Madara than it is for Jiraiya and Itachi. You say Jiraiya and Itachi confirmed it. How? Did they do DNA testing on him? Minato at least, and likely Kushina as well, FOUGHT him, which is certainly more than Jiraiya did. Let us also not forget that Minato was aware of many thing, including Akatsuki and Jiraiya's death, because he was "watching from inside Naruto." Naruto was told that the guy in the mask was Madara, so if Minato was watching from inside Naruto, wouldn't he have then been aware that the guy in the mask was called Madara? Yet, he still chose to call him "the one in the mask" and not Madara. If Minato fought this guy and was watching from within Naruto, then it wouldn't be much of a plothole for him to know it was Madara, would it?

But, you're still not looking at it in the proper context, as usual. You are trying to view it as if you are a character living the story, not as a reader reading a written story for an audience; that has always been your problem and why you are always wrong.

You're really bringing up something from last year? Really? I did no whining, I simply told you that you were wrong, which you were. You had no argument last year and you have no argument now. You were an idiot a year ago, just like you're an idiot today. I guess not much changes in a year.