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    Quote Originally Posted by UChessmaster View Post
    Ok then, a mad rabid dog with amazing fighting skills, can you mention 2 leader quality he has besides fighting skills and seeing the world in black and white?
    I am talking about him tricking Squardo into betraying Whitebeard. He sealed Whitebeard's fate without physically attacking him. Why are you assuming that Akainu is some dumb idiot who can't control himself,? Nothing we have seen suggests this is the case. He may have some very strong opinions and he may be ruthless but he IS a marine admiral after all. I am sure he is more than capable as a leader. We haven't seen anything from Aokiji that makes him more of a leader than Akainu, other than the fact that he is nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash! View Post
    I am talking about him tricking Squardo into betraying Whitebeard. He sealed Whitebeard's fate without physically attacking him. Why are you assuming that Akainu is some dumb idiot who can't control himself,? Nothing we have seen suggests this is the case. He may have some very strong opinions and he may be ruthless but he IS a marine admiral after all. I am sure he is more than capable as a leader. We haven't seen anything from Aokiji that makes him more of a leader than Akainu, other than the fact that he is nice.
    Tricking Squardo could`ve been anyones idea, sides, Squardo`s stupid meter is off the charts, Akainu is a dumb idiot who can`t control himself, that`s the only face of him we`ve seen, what else should i assume? his strong opinion as you call it (i would call it something else) is preciselly a reason for him NOT to be given a higher rank, as for Aokiji, what we`ve seen is a calmed person capable of looking at things from an objective perspective and come up with the best posible solution, Akainu`s strategy would be "lol shoot"
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    Quote Originally Posted by UChessmaster View Post
    Tricking Squardo could`ve been anyones idea, sides, Squardo`s stupid meter is off the charts, Akainu is a dumb idiot who can`t control himself, that`s the only face of him we`ve seen, what else should i assume? his strong opinion as you call it (i would call it something else) is preciselly a reason for him NOT to be given a higher rank, as for Aokiji, what we`ve seen is a calmed person capable of looking at things from an objective perspective and come up with the best posible solution, Akainu`s strategy would be "lol shoot"
    Akainu was the last of the admirals to put himself on the battlefield. While everyone was fighting, he went and tricked Squardo. I would say his strategy worked alot better than anyone else's. Saying that someone else could have tricked Squardo after the fact is just silly.

    Say what you want, but Akainu gets results. Aokiji can be as calm and composed as he likes, but without Akainu's underhanded tactics and initiative, the marines would have been big losers in this war. I have seen nothing from Aokiji that makes him stand out as an exceptional leader. In what situation did he come up with the 'best possible solution" as a leader? Rather, it was Akainu who came up with the best possible solution as to how to deal with Whitebeard and Ace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash! View Post
    Akainu was the last of the admirals to put himself on the battlefield. While everyone was fighting, he went and tricked Squardo. I would say his strategy worked alot better than anyone else's. Saying that someone else could have tricked Squardo after the fact is just silly.

    Say what you want, but Akainu gets results. Aokiji can be as calm and composed as he likes, but without Akainu's underhanded tactics and initiative, the marines would have been big losers in this war. I have seen nothing from Aokiji that makes him stand out as an exceptional leader. In what situation did he come up with the 'best possible solution" as a leader? Rather, it was Akainu who came up with the best possible solution as to how to deal with Whitebeard and Ace.
    Wasn`t the squardo thing a flashback?, how do you know it happened while everyone was fighting? you want me to beleive squardo is smart?

    Whitebeard is bad lol, to prove it we`ll only attack new world pirates, that`ll totally mean we have a deal.

    Akainu gets results IN BATTLE, by leader i mean someone that can actually stay behind the lines. Yes akainu got results, if you release a brainless invinsible zombie he would`ve gotten the same results, if you release an actual dog with an overpowered fruit it would get him results, Akainu is strong, i get that, but a leader? no, he would drop the WG public opinion faster than you can say "should`ve let Aokiji take control".
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    Whitebeard is bad lol, to prove it we`ll only attack new world pirates, that`ll totally mean we have a deal.
    Squardo was stupid. I am sure there were many other stupid people on the battlefield as well. Akainu was the only one that exploited this.

    Akainu gets results IN BATTLE, by leader i mean someone that can actually stay behind the lines. Yes akainu got results, if you release a brainless invinsible zombie he would`ve gotten the same results, if you release an actual dog with an overpowered fruit it would get him results, Akainu is strong, i get that, but a leader? no, he would drop the WG public opinion faster than you can say "should`ve let Aokiji take control".
    No, a brainless Zombie would not get the same results that Akainu would. I dont even need to explain this. Of all the marines, he seemed to be the only one that understood what was really required to win the war, and took out the 2 most important targets. Stop painting him as some fool just because he thinks in black and white. Ultimately, even Aokiji, Garp and Sengoku seem to believe that there is no such thing as good pirates right now. They just aren't as ruthless about it because thats not their nature. It doesn't mean Akainu would be a bad leader. In this situation, he would carry out the WG's objectives alot better than Aokiji as he wouldnt have a moral conflict about carrying out some more questionable tasks. Lacking morals doesn't make him a simpleton. At the same time, there is nothing in his behaviour that suggests that he would explicitly go against orders just as an excuse to dish out more violence, so theres no reason to believe he would go 'out of control'.

    Akainu didn't go out of his way to attack the pirates. They attacked Marineford, and he went at them with full force. What else would you have him do, just try to hold them off long enough to execute Ace legitimately, as Sengoku would have it? Sengoku almost failed miserably. Akainu saved his ass. There is no meaning to taking Whitebeard head on, if they cant successfully defeat him and execute Ace. This alone would have been defamed them alot more than any shit Akainu might pull off as a ruthless fleet admiral.

    Aokiji's public opinion will drop pretty fast too if he isn't quick enough to deal with the criminals that just escaped from Impel Down and silence any pirates that may try to take advantage of this instability. If someone figures out where the criminals came from, it definitely wont look good for the WG. In this situation, a ruthless approach would probably be better.

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    I think having Akainu in the higher role will send a message out to the world that the World Government wont tolerate pirates and they will try to remove them at all costs.
    This is a valid point. If the motivations behind the promotion has more to do with Pirate - Marine PR rather than actual belief that Aokiji would make a better fleet admiral, it is actually a good enough reason for Sengoku to recommend Aokiji instead (though I dont think this is the case, I think its because he likes Aokiji better himself). Still, I cant imagine Akainu will be too happy about this, it will be interesting to see if there is some sort of resulting conflict, and whether the WG itself will approve of the appointment of Aokiji.
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