Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnder View Post
After all, we've had more than enough scenes between Shukaku, Eighttails and Kyuubi to show us that the beasts are fully capable of thinking and communicating through speach.

And when Shukaku takes over Gaara, it's fairly obvious that the Shukaku is a creature with it's own personality and motivation. Shukaku actually speaks when he's in control.

But when Naruto loses control it's just "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWRRRR!!!!!!"

Even when fighting Pain when the seal supposedly broke completely, it still didn't seem like Kyuubi had gained control. It just seemed like mindless rage. And while Kyuubi is certainly pretty enraged all the time, he's not mindless.

I think if Kyuubi were really in control during Naruto's rampaging, he might have some things to say, much like he had things to say to Sasuke when he entered Naruto's mind.
We don't know what would Kyuubi do, but Shukaku still went on a rampage, but just talking along the way

Still, Kyuubi's/Shukaku's chakra/personality influence Jinchuurikis in a way that they go wacko the moment they are partially transformed, as seen in both Gaara's (fights with Sasuke) and Naruto's (many times) cases.

I don't really know what we argue about anymore, it seems kind of obvious that tailed beasts got minds of their own, but it still doesn't change the fact that they're evil and given any kind of freedom, they wrought havoc.

There's many "maybes" here, you write about Pain fight but you forget that 4th stopped Naruto's hand so the seal never really broke completely, but at the same time we're inclined to believe that since Yamato's hand showed 9 tails + what looked all Kyuubi broke free from Pain's prison. On the other hand he didn't really have any chance to speak because of all the things that happened inside Naruto at the time.

Kyuubi is not a mindless beast and would probably have his own agenda after freeing himself, but that still doesn't change the fact he's a monster.

This discussion goes a bit off, so let's just focus on what we actually disagreed upon:

Will Naruto get friends with Kyuubi 8tails style? Doubtful.

Can they have some shady cooperation? Yep.