One thing I don't understand, when exactly did Sarutobi became Hokage? Way back it seemed he was told he would be Hokage when he was still a kid, which didn't make a lot of sense. Now it seems he was made Hokage in that forest. When did he actually take the title?
Well it seems that he assumed the role of Hokage the day after that forest fight - whether the Second came back alive from it's another thing.Originally Posted by DB_Hunter
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It's been many times now that Karin was saying "Sasuke's chakra is different", "He's become so cold" etc.
With his "emotionless face" before running through both Danzou and Karin we can assume he cares solely about reaching his goals and Karin was expendable, ergo. If he treated her as tool, he could get another one.
Question is, will he? Personally, I think not because he didn't even ask about Suigetsu and Juugo.
I'll be really pissed if Kishimoto makes up another batch of characters from nowhere just to fawn all over Sasuke and be expendable.
You want to treat your underlings as cannonfodder, fine, but you should at least have to suffer the consequences of...running out of underlings.
Although, really, you could say he already has replacements. Between Madara's ability to pull him out of danger, and Zetsu's ability to refill his chakra, he's already got his next group of support staff all lined up for him...
True indeed. However, the thing he could have done is not to rush things and use clever plans and strategy, not jump into the middle of the enemies with no other plans than a couple of powerful jutsu that might or might not work for a while. If his plan is to punish Konoha, he really doesn't need to fight against all the bosses of all the hidden villages - and all at once to boot.
And just for the record, I'm not trying to say he's wise at all acting ruthlessly like this. I simply say it could be understandable from his point of view. Being suicidal is understandable as well because it certainly doesn't seem like he plans to happily live ever after.
But then again, it could be he's simply so blinded by his idea of a cold avenger that he hit through Karin for no reason.
WRONG! we do not know anything about Danzo.. except that he was a big coward and was hiding all the time. Most likely bodyguards of Danzou were even stronger than him(together). Since Sasuke was learning from Orochimaru who was a "jutsu gatherer" there are endless possibilities how Sasuke could avoid getting killed or beaten down if he was alone or in a sticky situation with 5 kages and so on. Since most of them underestimate him because of he Uchiha drama they don't know what he is capable of especially if you haven't noticed Sasuke's strenght is that after each fight he gets lots stronger.You say, "If you know you have a healer at hand, you can use strategy involving healing afterwards. If you don't have a healer, you must do things so you don't need one." But the fact is there IS nothing he could do to fight so he wouldn't need a healer. Because he's WEAKER than these people he's defeating. If he didn't have his healer, he'd be LOSING these fights, no matter what he did.
Sure he could prolong the fight with smart tactics and find the enemies weakness with longer time, but as some people are agressive poker players and some passive, he clearly is agressive and in his case with susano & all the other stuff he has under his cattle he obviously has everything to be agressive & reckless.
In case you hadn't noticed, Sasuke LOST all of his Orochimaru powers when Itachi pulled him out of him. He doesn't have his cursed seal, he can't summon snakes anymore, he can't shed his body anymore...
Sasuke wasn't even able to STAND anymore. But Danzou was more or less fully mobile after breaking off his Hokage arm.
Sasuke would have LOST at that point if he hadn't been healed by Karin.
Not anymore he doesn't. Since "Susano'o and all the other stuff" hasn't allowed him to beat ANYONE without the needing to be healed afterwards. And now, he doesn't have a healer.
So, no, he doesn't have everything he needs to be aggressive & reckless.
What should realistically happen now, is Sasuke should run off to his next fight after this battle, rush into his next battle just like he's rushed into every other fight he's had recently, kick some ass for awhile, but ultimately overextend himself and end up defeated just like he has the last THREE times now. Only this time, because he killed off his medic, he'd actually die because of it.
That won't happen though, because Sasuke is a complete Villain Sue. And Kishimoto will make sure to give him whatever he needs to continue succeeding.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sat, 05-14-2011 at 11:00 PM.
I think this isn't really a debate deserving discussiong since he is one of the main characters. But you are right about Orochimaru's abilities :S i missed that one for a sec, anyhow real question is when will sasuke confront Madara, as we all remember Sasuke killed Oro after he had passed him in strenght..?
Originally, I thought it was just the Cursed Seal that Itachi got rid of. But he hasn't used a single one of Oro's powers since that fight, and the fact that he just summoned a hawk instead of a snake pretty much confirms it.
Somehow, pulling Oro out of Sasuke has caused him to forget every technique Oro taught him.
Man, I hope that doesn't happen. Nothing makes the heroes in your series seem more useless than having your main villains killed off by other villains.
Also, Madara is an Uchiha. His Clan seems to be the only think Sasuke still cares at all about. He probably won't go against Madara.
I haven't of late been getting an impression Sasuke cares about anybody anymore, not even himself considering his style of fighting. Sure, he has served Madara, but I'd say only because Madara told him what Sasuke believes is the truth and is also planning to punish Konoha. But I doubt he would hesitate to slay Madara if it helped him to obliterate Konoha.
If he really cared about Uchiha, he wouldn't single-mindedly seek revenge at any cost but would be knocking girls up here and there (he surely would succeed at that vastly better than his old competitor, Naruto).
I dunno, I bet right about now, Naruto could get a lot of play around Konoha.
On top of that, clones would let him be a lot more prolific than Sasuke.
Clones might let him have more action, but pregnancies would never happen with the sperm suddenly going poof!
I'm also not so sure Naruto would be now an instant romantic hit among women despite being a local hero. He still the same old idiotic kid deep down. The whole scenario would also assume Sasuke never became a ruthless murderer and scumbag. I'm sure right now he would already need to rely on genjutsu...
I don't think so, since Sasuke got his new bad-ass eyes he is just been using all of the cool Uchicha stuff I bet sooner or later when he is in trouble he will pull out some summoning walls and some other snakeshit. Remember Itachi gave Sasuke his eyes, he probably gave some other cool stuff too what is yet to be explored, let alone the "seed" he planted in Naruto - which should activate when they confront each other. Which also means that most of Madaras stories are true sons of rinnengan user one with great stamina and other with strenght(?) will always fight each other and confront in the end.
I'm pretty sure also, that it is too early to tell about Karin, but we will find out about it hopefully this week
OT: murderers & villans have always been loved by women, because of their dangerous and interesting livestyle, those woman always thought they could change those criminals, but in the end the man was only after their own secret out of reality goal.
No, he lost his snake abilities.
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but that seems to be the case.
I understand that purifying Sasuke of Orochimaru would, say, removed the cursed seal. Since the seal is a part of Orochimaru.
But causing him to just...forget all of Oro's techniques. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I mean, what does being able to Summon Snakes have to do with being controlled by Oro?
Sad thing is Suigetsu is more than likely one of the more interesting characters in this anime at the moment but i guess gets getting like dragon ball in that no one matters but goku, and in this case its naruto and sasuke.
The clone just has to hold out until cell division. Once that happens, you're all set!
Bah, you're assuming the average woman on the street KNOWS he's a murdering scumbag. I'm sure he would have no trouble just getting by on his looks.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sun, 05-15-2011 at 05:41 PM.
Regarding my post, I meant the first option, my pardon.
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I don't think it makes any sense at all. I think it's just Kishimoto didn't want Sasuke and Kabuto to have the same powers, so when he decided to turn Kabuto into Oro II, he took all the Oro powers away from Sasuke and turned him into Itachi II instead.
On an completely unrelated note, I still wonder if Sage Mode is something anyone can do. It seems closely tide to the toads in that, you turn into a toad if you fuck it up, and even if you succeed it gives you toad eyes.
I wonder if that means only someone with a Toad contract can become a Sage.
Or, on the otherhand, might it be possible for anyone with an animal contract to become a Sage.
If I didn't know otherwise, I would have assumed that Orochimaru was a Snake Sage the whole time. What with the snake eyes, and how physically snakey he always was. But apparently that wasn't the case.
Feels like something else that could be fleshed out. Would be cool to have a villain that could also enter sage mode, but as a different animal.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Tue, 05-17-2011 at 11:59 AM.
Sage mode is just trying to use Natural Chakra in your body. Anybody can try to learn it.
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