2012 United States Presidential Election

[Sapphire]

Well, this piece is probably eh best representative on Paul from his canon http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...senger/250685/

If you don't give a shit about the issue enough to write out a few bullet points of your off-the-wall accusation then I don't care enough to read your articles.

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Ron Paul wants to stop America's imperialism, pull out of all these foreign wars, and this will save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. Put the left vs. right bitching aside and just realize that it's a matter of life and death.

The US military goes out and murders people, destroys families because of some charismatic guy who got elected in a popularity contest (all past presidents)? Though the media tries its best to make it so, this situation is not a drama TV show. It's our fellow humans who are getting murdered by our tax money. Think about it.

Watching the circus freak side show that is the GOP Primaries makes me sick. It makes me sad that people just say stupid shit about rumors of someone's character rather than looking at what the person is fighting for. I just can't respect anyone who makes light of the issue and turns it into some game and talks about inconsequential shit like "OHMIGAH HOW LIBERAL IS CNN? KEKE THATS WHY RON PAUL BLABLA HE'S RACIST AGAINST UNAMERICANS BLA"

At least talk about the economy.

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Kraco, was that post of yours excusing Obama for the atrocities of Afghanistan, because it's "hopeless" to you?

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Also all of the other candidates openly admitted during the Thanksgiving forum that they would move to ban gay marriage and abortion all together because they're "christian". God knows what else they'll do to buy a vote. Not to mention, Iran is he new big thing to bomb. Chilling.

[Kraco]

Kraco, was that post of yours excusing Obama for the atrocities of Afghanistan, because it's "hopeless" to you?

What is done is done. Besides, Obama didn't start Afghanistan. If he gets reelected, I hope he can finish the US involvement there, although the same goes for any next US president. Also, the Afghans are themselves perfectly capable of the worst atrocities; they don't need foreign help to torture themselves, not in the least. They are the ones who founded Taleban, which is all the proof needed of the wickedness present in that country. If they want to live in stone age and oppress themselves, let them do it in peace. We should just stick to safely firebombing the drug plantations every now and then and buying the rare earth minerals. You can't force a whole country with an ancient civilization to reform itself in a few years. Better stay out of it.

[rockmanj]

If you don't give a shit about the issue enough to write out a few bullet points of your off-the-wall accusation then I don't care enough to read your articles.

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I have no idea where all that hostility comes from, but it is only a couple of pages long and a great article. I think everyone that is interested in Ron Paul should read it; me putting in bullet points would not do it justice.

I do think Paul says provocative and important things, but he also takes his belief in states' rights to an extreme and has said that he does not think that the Civil Rights Act was a good idea. I understand his reasoning, but I don't agree with it. I would also not want to have someone in office that thinks the Civil War was "pointless" and that slavery would have just dissipated. And even though presidents cannot affect that much change on their own, I would rather not have him (or any of the other Repub candidates) representing me as the head of state.

And like Kraco, I think Afghanistan is a mess. Yes, the president did say that he thought it more important to focus on, and he did not start the war there, but now it is at the point where it seems nobody really knows what to do about the place. I personally think we need to get out of there ASAP, but I am sure there are complications to that that we are unaware of that are probably preventing an immediate draw-down.