2012 United States Presidential Election

[Animeniax]

FTFY, no need to thank me.

Please, lets not pretend they are bad on only one side.

Definitely didn't mean to infer it's one sided, but the Dem pundits weren't nearly as bad when Bush was in power as the Rep pundits were during Obama's first 4 years. And the message the Republican pundits put out just seems a lot more hateful.

America was and still is to a large extent a nation built from puritans, so it's not really surprising to see that Romney won most of the states that Republican are expected to win. There are a lot of people who simply vote base on party line and out of habit. For example, it's almost pointless for Dem to vote for national elections Texas because of the imbalance in party power. The same could be said for California and New york where Democrats are expected to win regardless.

The scary thing is that as bad as people make Romney out to be, he's still fairly moderate by the GOP standards.

I think some states vote along racial lines as much as anything else.

It's hard to say what Romney's stances are on issues because he's changed so many of them from the time he was a governor to the Republican primary to now. I was almost looking forward to him winning the presidency because he does seem like a moderate and he might be able to work with Congress to get things passed. Unfortunately Obama will have another 4 years of zero compromise from the Republicans in the House.

[Ryllharu]

Definitely didn't mean to infer it's one sided, but the Dem pundits weren't nearly as bad when Bush was in power as the Rep pundits were during Obama's first 4 years. And the message the Republican pundits put out just seems a lot more hateful.

MSNBC was worse when Bush was in power than FoxNews is now. I take it you never watched Countdown with Keith Olbermann? It was a solid hour of him throwing insults at everyone in the GOP or similar while pretending he had 10 percent of Edward R. Murrow's class.

Don't get me wrong, Hannity was always a jackoff too.

[Animeniax]

MSNBC was worse when Bush was in power than FoxNews is now. I take it you never watched Countdown with Keith Olbermann? It was a solid hour of him throwing insults at everyone in the GOP or similar while pretending he had 10 percent of Edward R. Murrow's class.

Don't get me wrong, Hannity was always a jackoff too.

No one listened to Olbermann's rants anyway

[Carnage]

MSNBC was worse when Bush was in power than FoxNews is now. I take it you never watched Countdown with Keith Olbermann? It was a solid hour of him throwing insults at everyone in the GOP or similar while pretending he had 10 percent of Edward R. Murrow's class.

Don't get me wrong, Hannity was always a jackoff too.

MSNBC is a steaming pile of shit no doubt, and just as biased as Fox News on the opposite side of the spectrum. But no network can really be as bad as Fox News, which basically feeds itself to rednecks (which is probably the dumbest demographic with access to television). I can't think of anything that can really compare with Fox feeding birthers and hicks who still think Obama is a kenyan born muslim.

And MSNBC was doing its job during the Bush years. He was objectively one of the worst presidents we've ever had. $4 trillion down the drain in starting wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan, the patriot act, expanding the deficit by giving us Bush tax-cuts without paying for them in the budget. Fox News is pretending Obama is a muslim communist. But Bush actually was one of our worst presidents.

And I agree Republicans will have to modernize their platform with regards to the religious right, but as far as the business class goes I think the party can still hold a lot of leverage. If Democrats ever did decide to drastically raise tax rates, many business owners might retaliate by collectively hiring less and damaging the economy in order to give the democrats a bad name. Hell the republicans were obstructionists toward any economic progress whatsoever in the past four years to prevent Obama from winning, and they did a good job. At least 60% of the country I believe blames him for the slow recovery, considering polls during the summer showed that 60% of the popular vote would prefer a generic republican candidate to the incumbent.

And I have no idea where the bullshit of Obama not compromising is coming from. He had to force Obamacare through (which I oppose by the way) because of the Republican filibuster in the Senate. Mitch McConell outright said his party's number one goal was to prevent Obama's re-election. Obama didn't raise taxes. He supported the stimulus which was basically a giant tax cut. He's spent a shitload on the military. Gay marriage is still illegal. Where hasn't he tried to compromise? He's not my ideal candidate in the least, I'm a social conservative. But there's still a large difference between the GOP and the Left as far as how full of shit each party is.

[Kraco]

But no network can really be as bad as Fox News, which basically feeds itself to rednecks (which is probably the dumbest demographic with access to television). I can't think of anything that can really compare with Fox feeding birthers and hicks who still think Obama is a kenyan born muslim.

Damn. Fox Finland doesn't broadcast its own news, from what I can see. I have never watched the news on the channel, but the news program is labeled after a Finnish news agency, so I reckon they merely buy the whole thing as is to fulfill some random clause in the broadcast permission to have news. I would have wanted to see their own, funny news if they really are as hilarious as you say. But I guess it would have cost too much to localize such a format.

[Animeniax]

Damn. Fox Finland doesn't broadcast its own news, from what I can see. I have never watched the news on the channel, but the news program is labeled after a Finnish news agency, so I reckon they merely buy the whole thing as is to fulfill some random clause in the broadcast permission to have news. I would have wanted to see their own, funny news if they really are as hilarious as you say. But I guess it would have cost too much to localize such a format.

Your local Fox affiliate isn't a problem for bias, they only sometimes air segments from their pundits. The problem is Fox News channel and Fox Business, cable channels that I doubt are available in Europe or anywhere outside the US, for which you are lucky.