Sword Art Online

[Buffalobiian]

I wonder if Kirito's sword will be half damage against shields since it's an energy weapon

It would. The better question is what half-damage actually is, along with any other max mitigations. In Skyrim armour could at best reduce 80% damage. That meant my sneak attacks were guaranteed to do at least 2000 damage to your HP, which nothing ever had.

So his character's sword skills are probably about twice what any other player in existence's are.

They could be, if "sword skills" were a common thing between everything. Currently I'm more inclined to think that Kirito's base stats encourage physical close combat while he swings a sword because that's what he knows how to do, as opposed to because he's got 5000pts invested into the 'melee weapons' stat or something.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, his Str stat is probably insane as well given that he said Dex was his secondary stat and he's already doing things with Dex that other people can't. So if the swords damage is at all based on his Str, he'll probably be one-shotting everyone regardless of shields.

But this isn't a musket era game. There could easily be dozens of lines coming from a fully automatic gun. Multiply that if there are many opponents.

Doesn't stop Jedi or Crouching Tiger characters from doing it. Seriously doubt an anime character in a VR world will have any trouble.

[Kraco]

Doesn't stop Jedi or Crouching Tiger characters from doing it. Seriously doubt an anime character in a VR world will have any trouble.

Though I've said it about 100 times already, but this is supposed to be a game about gun fights, not about Jedi or... Crouching Tigers, uh. If this wasn't sao-shit writing that only serves to make Kirito look more perfect, the other players would never suffer a dude running around faster than sound, deflecting bullets with a sword, and owning everybody while he's at it. They would report him to the admins as a cheater of some sort, and if nothing happened, they would terminate their subscriptions and move to better games. Plus all the bad rep spread in (social) media damaging the game's reputation. You wouldn't tolerate such a thing in cod, bf, arma, or whatever gun fighting game you'd play. If these fellows tolerate it in GGO, it's only because they would all like to suck up to a god called Kirito.

Which is why I hope it won't be that easy for him and he'll need Sinon's help, for example.

[Xelbair]

Though I've said it about 100 times already, but this is supposed to be a game about gun fights, not about Jedi or... Crouching Tigers, uh. If this wasn't sao-shit writing that only serves to make Kirito look more perfect, the other players would never suffer a dude running around faster than sound, deflecting bullets with a sword, and owning everybody while he's at it. They would report him to the admins as a cheater of some sort, and if nothing happened, they would terminate their subscriptions and move to better games. Plus all the bad rep spread in (social) media damaging the game's reputation. You wouldn't tolerate such a thing in cod, bf, arma, or whatever gun fighting game you'd play. If these fellows tolerate it in GGO, it's only because they would all like to suck up to a god called Kirito.

Which is why I hope it won't be that easy for him and he'll need Sinon's help, for example.

sadly knife-running has been valid tactic in cod since MW2.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm cautious in bringing in Jedis into comparisons because they have the aid of the Force. Without it, normal people end up cutting themselves with lightsabers. Having no mass doesn't help as your muscles can't use their proprioception and stretch feedback to inform you of the beam's orientation.

[KrayZ33]

But this isn't a musket era game. There could easily be dozens of lines coming from a fully automatic gun. Multiply that if there are many opponents. It's easier for him to dodge or never to get shot at in the first place.

if it has the same hit detection than BF4 than that won't be a problem, because only 3 bullets out of a full magazine will actually hit/be dangerous, heh

you wouldn't tolerate such a thing in cod, bf, arma, or whatever gun fighting game you'd play.

to be fair, I can't convert my Mass Effect Character to BF3/CoD and own everyone with Adrenaline Rush... but in every game made from the "World Seed", I can.
It's pretty much cheating from the start and this show doesn't even try to hide it.
I can't even blame Kirito for doing this, because he didn't join that game to have "fun" but to solve something more important. (The goverment is obviously way to stupid to handle things on their own... like visiting Death Gun's home or something like that)

[Kraco]

I can't even blame Kirito for doing this, because he didn't join that game to have "fun" but to solve something more important.

That's very true. I wouldn't blame him either, and he probably doesn't care if he gains some kind of notorious reputation either (as long as he doesn't get banned) because the sooner he gets dangerous enough to meet Death Gun, the better it's for his mission. In the end it's also far too early to say just how big of a boost he inherited from ALO here. We haven't even seen a single fight yet (the cowboy robot doesn't count). Maybe he will never act like a jedi but in a more believable manner using the prediction lines to deflect a few bullets but mainly stealth, cover, and speed to get close enough.

[DarthEnderX]

(The goverment is obviously way to stupid to handle things on their own... like visiting Death Gun's home or something like that)

Obviously they don't know who Death Gun is.

You wouldn't tolerate such a thing in cod, bf, arma, or whatever gun fighting game you'd play.

Again, none of those games have monsters or lasers or force fields in them. You continue making this argument, and it continues to be retarded.

This game isn't Modern Warfare, and it sure as shit isn't ARMA. It's Halo with RPG elements(which makes it Destiny I guess).

I'm cautious in bringing in Jedis into comparisons because they have the aid of the Force.

Well, I guess that's fair. It's not like anime is full of samurai-type characters cutting through bullets or anything.

Oh wait...

[Kraco]

Again, none of those games have monsters or lasers or force fields in them. You continue making this argument, and it continues to be retarded.

This game isn't Modern Warfare, and it sure as shit isn't ARMA. It's Halo with RPG elements(which makes it Destiny I guess).

And this is relevant how? This game isn't a Star Wars game either, like Bill said up there, so it shouldn't have supermen with light sabers. The monsters don't mean shit in this case. The beam weapons are properly handicapped. If 99.9% of players consider the light sabers to be fancy toys of no real combat relevance (though most likely handy in a really tigh spot if you want to drag one around), then it's kind of statistically safe to say that's how the game has been built. Or would be if the author knew the first thing about game development. If you try to cater to every taste, you end up satisfying nobody.

[DarthEnderX]

And this is relevant how? This game isn't a Star Wars game either, like Bill said up there, so it shouldn't have supermen with light sabers.

Except it DOES, so that means it IS. The game IS the genre that is is. You thinking the game is something that it's not and then saying "It shouldn't have this because this other game that it's nothing like wouldn't have it" is fucking dumb.

The game HAS light sabers that can block projectiles, so obviously it IS like a fucking Star Wars game. The game DOESN'T have realistic shooting, or damage modeling, or mechanics, so it's NOT like a CoD game, no matter how much you keep saying that it is.

Fact is, you were WRONG about what kind of game it was from the very start, but you refuse to shift your point of view away from your original wrong impression.


Kirito even called it a fucking Cyberpunk game this week. So basically, it's a Ghost in the Shell setting more than anything. You know, the series where characters block bullets with other BULLETS, nevermind fucking swords.

Or would be if the author knew the first thing about game development. If you try to cater to every taste, you end up satisfying nobody.

This argument is just as dumb. As if there were no games in existence that didn't have suboptimal game design. Somehow, an MMO with a useless weapon type is somehow unbelievable? Have you ever PLAYED a fucking MMO before? And do you know how many garbage ones there are in the world? Who the hell ever said that GGO had flawless game design?

[lelouch]

Except it DOES, so that means it IS. The game IS the genre that is is. You thinking the game is something that it's not and then saying "It shouldn't have this because this other game that it's nothing like wouldn't have it" is fucking dumb.

The game HAS light sabers that can block projectiles, so obviously it IS like a fucking Star Wars game. The game DOESN'T have realistic shooting, or damage modeling, or mechanics, so it's NOT like a CoD game, no matter how much you keep saying that it is.

Fact is, you were WRONG about what kind of game it was from the very start, but you refuse to shift your point of view away from your original wrong impression.

Yeah Kraco in all seriousness I don't really understand how you don't understand this. It seems like a really basic concept. No flaming intended honestly, but I'm really questioning whether you've been drunk every time you watch this series. It just seems really unbelievably stupid to compare a game that is obviously nothing like CoD to CoD, and say that it obviously isn't like Halo and Star Wars, when it obviously is... In fact, in the right context, I think it would be reasonable to assume you're either trolling or inebriated. Like this really isn't that complicated, I'm not sure why you're making it seem like it is.

[Kraco]

The game HAS light sabers that can block projectiles, so obviously it IS like a fucking Star Wars game. The game DOESN'T have realistic shooting, or damage modeling, or mechanics, so it's NOT like a CoD game, no matter how much you keep saying that it is.

Sinon's first sniping shot in the only fight we have seen (the monster fiasco doesn't count) was like one of my better shots in Arma. Seemed pretty realistic in many ways, provided she's a levelled up sniper (since it's also an RPG that ought to allow such skill ups).

But you are right in the sense that I'm basing a lot on nothing but my opinions and first impressions. And so are you because this show is starting slower than Nanoha Strikers with absolutely nothing worthwhile to judge so far. We simply haven't seen enough yet, especially not a single fight from Kirito.

I don't know why I need to repeat this but according to Sinon, who's apparently an elite player, nobody uses the light sabers and they play little role in the game. Since I'm a Star Wars fan, you won't ever catch me calling them garbage weapons, but according to Sinon most GGO players must view them as expensive toys. I'm not sure what sort of Star Wars games you have been playing if you are under an impression they are useless in SW games, but Governor Tarkin would have commended you.

To put it in simpler words: It's not an SW game if every other player isn't carrying a light saber. Or in reverse: If every other player isn't carrying a light saber, they aren't worth it in the game. Yet suddenly they will be worth it if Kirito decides to use one.

[Kraco]

That sounds quite plausible. Though I still maintain my opinion that it wouldn't make the old players who levelled up in GGO using guns any happier if somebody suddenly transferred in from a different kind of game and started owning everybody with a sword. In the end they should and would be unaccustomed to fighting a master swordsman, but somehow I doubt Kirito would be as unaccustomed to fighting gunslingers as he should be (because he's Kirito). The cowboy robot already showed it's as if he had played the game for 600 hours already despite not knowing enough of it to fill the backside of a dvd case.

[KrayZ33]

Obviously they don't know who Death Gun is.

I'm aware of that... and thats the very problem.
you'd think that the police/goverment has its ways, you know.... and a gaming company that distributes and runs games in different countries with an unknown adress/e-mail/phone number? nah..

[DarthEnderX]

Though I still maintain my opinion that it wouldn't make the old players who levelled up in GGO using guns any happier if somebody suddenly transferred in from a different kind of game and started owning everybody with a sword.

I suppose. Though character transfers have supposedly been possible through any game that uses the Seed. So it's not like they can complain they didn't know about it.

And at the end of the day, the GGO devs still decided to put swords in the game, which nobody was forcing them to. So it's not Kirito's fault that he's deciding to use them.

I'm aware of that... and thats the very problem.
you'd think that the police/goverment has its ways, you know.... and a gaming company that distributes and runs games in different countries with an unknown adress/e-mail/phone number? nah..

I'm assuming that if someone is a good enough hacker to kill someone in real life through a video game, he's probably good enough to avoid having his IP traced or whatever.

I just want to see Sinon's face when he starts batting away bullets fired at him.

She would get just like all the other girls he's ever played with. Gooey and stupid.

Oh, you mean...the best part of the first season!

[lelouch]

I'm aware of that... and thats the very problem.
you'd think that the police/goverment has its ways, you know.... and a gaming company that distributes and runs games in different countries with an unknown adress/e-mail/phone number? nah..

Do you even Tor brah?

[KrayZ33]

Do you even Tor brah?

Gaming with Tor..... okay brah! That aside, would you pay your monthly connection fee through Tor too (as if that'd help)? Just follow the money..
and I wasn't talking about Death Gun, they don't even know where this company is located or how to contact them. What kind of shady business is this? Didn't they learn anything from what happened in the past year(?), like the SAO or RECTO incident?

[Buffalobiian]

To use a sword in GGO you need to dodge. No one is as good as Kirito, and it's safe to say that no one had been

effective at it enough,
sucked at a gun enough and
didn't have the drive to learn how to shoot

to warrant using a sword as a primary.

[Ryllharu]

I just want to see Sinon's face when he starts batting away bullets fired at him.

She would get just like all the other girls he's ever played with. Gooey and stupid. Except that she thinks he is a girl, so it will be something different! Normal admiration? Surprise?

The suspense is killing me!
(Not really.)

[Kraco]

A game would have balancing issues if it was filled with (serious) weapons and/or skills nobody tested in PvN and PvP, developers, hired alpha/beta testers, and open beta testers naturally included. But then again, considering how so many games even today seem to be more or less beta versions upon release, only patched to something resembling a full game months later with patches (if the players are lucky), I guess anything's possible. However, somebody would still know at least if they are useless or not. I find it a bit hard to believe that would remain a secret until many months later when a random dude transfers from another game and tries to use a light saber.

If player ranking is based on PvP, then the shift from AGI to STR could be explained easily enough. The old AGI builds would be only used to fighting other AGI characters, mainly, but the new STR players would be used to beating AGIs (if that's the old majority). Although personally I think that whole thing was mostly bullshit. The pro player tried to appear wise in the interview, that's it. Guns are heavy things to lug around. Everybody would have always invested in STR a lot.