Naruto Chapter 603

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^ So going back to the point I have been making in my previous posts, Infinite Tsukiyomi already accomplishes all of that and happens instantaneously. You are assuming the preexistence of a well established society of immortal zombies. I have been saying the transformation into such a society poses a huge problem in itself, since it is likely to be a slow process. If you could turn everyone into an immortal zombie within a matter of seconds or minutes, it could probably work out, but I don't see that happening.

Also, I think its a pretty bad idea to let the Kages have complete control everyone. In a society of immortals, we have given a few select individuals with the power to control and pass judgement on everyone else (by erasing their personalities). What's to stop the one of the kages from exploiting this ability down the road.

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^ So going back to the point I have been making in my previous posts, Infinite Tsukiyomi already accomplishes all of that and happens instantaneously. You are assuming the preexistence of a well established society of immortal zombies. I have been saying the transformation into such a society poses a huge problem in itself, since it is likely to be a slow process. If you could turn everyone into an immortal zombie within a matter of seconds or minutes, it could probably work out, but I don't see that happening.

I'm not presupposing anything. In particular, I explicitly mentioned that the zombies will have an eternity to learn the lessons of peace. You say "since [the transformation] is likely to be a slow process" but have provided no actual arguments or examples as to why that would cause a problem.

We already know what happens when a tyrant uses edo tensai. He raises an army to do his dirty work. But we're not talking about a tyrant. We're talking about the Hokage.

Also, how is the potential for coercion through mind control worse than the mind control the Moon's Eye Plan depends on?

Also, I think its a pretty bad idea to let the Kages have complete control everyone. In a society of immortals, we have given a few select individuals with the power to control and pass judgement on everyone else (by erasing their personalities). What's to stop the one of the kages from exploiting this ability down the road.

Presumably the fact that they are in charge, and would therefore have nothing to gain.

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I'm not presupposing anything. In particular, I explicitly mentioned that the zombies will have an eternity to learn the lessons of peace. You say "since [the transformation] is likely to be a slow process" but have provided no actual arguments or examples as to why that would cause a problem.

Huh? I was talking about the daisy-chaining approach taking time. To convert a person into an immortal, you need to first kill them, then summon them using a living human being as a vessel. To get everyone to become an immortal, you need to repeat this process over and over again for all the human beings in the world. Of course it will take awhile...

"I explicitly mentioned that the zombies will have an eternity to learn the lessons of peace" <- You need all of them to become zombies before this even happens. During the slow conversion process, you will have a mixture of both immortals and regular human beings. And hence what I said earlier:

What if some immortals decide they would rather resurrect someone from their past than someone from the present. There are only so many bodies to go around. It could lead to a real mess. I can already picture a scenario where immortals would keep farms of regular human beings and use them to bring back all sorts of people from the past, one by one.

Also, how is the potential for coercion through mind control worse than the mind control the Moon's Eye Plan depends on?

In a world where everyone has been rendered unkillable, I don't see what is to be gained by giving someone that kind of control. That isn't the issue, the problem is making everyone an immortal to begin with. Sure, the Hokages can oversee the conversion process, but I am not so convinced they would be saintly enough to do whats fair from all the way to the end. What if one of them would rather a close relative or past acquaintance be revived? Doing so would leave one less vessel for the people in the present.

For the Moon's Eye plan, I am assuming the caster will be put under the same Genjustsu as everyone else. Furthermore, there are no limits on who can be "brought back".