I never thought that Gino does not care about Kogami. He is obviously all BL over him. That is what pisses me off. He is even denying his own understanding and feelings for the sake of his subservience to the system.
His philosophy is not only cold, but stupid. This entire case proves that. Who knows how many criminals he has let loose because of his lack of independent thought.
Edit: Akane's friend was yummy. Akane asleep was also yummy.
Peace.
I disagree. Gino doesn't trust anymore. Least of all himself. He's lost a lot of colleagues or even friends, and it has traumatized him. He either ends up feeling betrayed (Kogami, his father), or a sense of loss (all the other inspectors he respected). He can carry on only because he throws all the rest of his faith into the Sybil system.Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
The bit at the end was nice. Akane uses a very different approach. After the initial incident with Kogami, where he actually changed for the better as a result, she inherently trusts her Enforcers. She gets to know them, hangs out with them in their prison, seeks them out for advice, and learns from them.
In return, they trust her back, and are now actively defending her and her methods.
Like her best friend said, once Akane gets involved in a conflict, it got resolved very quickly. She has a strong sense of empathy, is a good mediator, and cares about others.
Indeed.
She also wasn't stupid, aside from the time she grabbed the bag without regard for any traps. Though, I get the feeling anyone in this society would do the same. Who really goes around expecting everything in an area to be booby-trapped? The paranoid, that's who, and they would have cloudy psycho-passes.
She helped Kogami realize that she was being used in a way to force him to abandon her for survival (she recognized she was his handicap). Of course, the trick that Makishima put in was if Kogami abandoned his previous ideals, he would lose the chance to escape. Makishima is testing Kogami's resolve, and the cyborg's hunting/trapping skill.
Not really. He was just preaching to Akane how she made a terrible mistake with Kogami, and then the next moment Kogami calls and proves him wrong. What was he supposed to do? The only natural reaction is to go all out. Gino is a total waste of skin. Yes, he probably still cares for Kogami, but still being such a scumbag makes it all the worse. He's the worst cop in that whole bunch, yet he has the audacity to give Akane lectures.
Not really. Anybody who has played (computer/console) games, for example. Likely this girl hasn't, though, so I expected her to make mistakes. She doesn't seem like a survivor type at all, which of course was essential to test Kogami in the first place.
Don't you think that this society would have banned such violent games? Playing them would breed a certain disconnect from reality in citizens, clouding their psycho pass, making them prone to violent imagined thoughts. Someone who displayed an enjoyment of such titles would almost certainly become a latent criminal at best.
He said IF Kogami died, it would be because Akane didn't look after him properly. I can't say he's wrong in his approach. Kogami is a suspect in this missing (or perhaps "escape") case. You investigate them by assuming they're guilty until proven.
While the rest of the part trust (one could argue they knew) Kogami didn't run away, Gino waited for it to be verified.
Regarding the last sentence, are you saying that Gino trusts the Sybil system? Or is the Sybil system a form of "fact" where trust isn't relevant?
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The latter. Gino has faith that the Sibyl system can't be wrong. Otherwise he'd believe his father died wrongly, no?
They did discuss this in the series.
I know, but they didn't go into what we're talking about here. In particular I was seeing if you use the meanings of faith and trust differently. To me they're the same thing.
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Gino was the sole person who thought Kogami had arranged this bizarre event with flooded basements and everything just to escape. As if he had needed such bothersome arrangements when he was alone with a cute little girl like Akane if he really had planned to run. Even after everything that has happened lately, Gino is still too dull to try to connect any dots - because that would actually require him to use his own brain and not outsource all thinking to the Sybil. And as we have seen, the Sybil hardly does any thinking, it only analyzes fragments as isolated cases. In fact Gino was purely malicious by suspecting Kogami instead of waiting for a chance to scan him or otherwise directly see how things really stand, like he does with everything else.
He was malicious to Kogami because he knows Kogami has a cloudy psycho-pass, while other unscanned candidates from previous cases were otherwise fine.
Kogami is a certified latent criminal and Gino treats him as such. I actually think it's pretty consistent with his behaviour thus far.
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Fine. Pretty consistent with the behavior of a total scumbag.
Except for the fact that they're not.
Trust is earned or can granted on an initial basis (and from their it is either earned or lost).
Faith is just that, faith. Faith is trust in something when it cannot be based on proof. There's no way to validate or invalidate the Sibyl system so far in the story. Gino chooses to believe in it. The Sibyl system can never earn someone's trust. One either believes that it is virtuous and true, or they think it is a load of bullshit.
Hmm.. fair enough.
I do think the Sibyl system can be validated based on the fact that it's reduced crime rates in society. There's no question that it works. The only issue is whether the current standards are overkill or not.
It's not a matter of true vs bullshit.. it's a matter of degree.
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Episode 11 - HS
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I wonder if they will try to lock Akane up in some mental institute to silence her. Since pretty much the whole society's workings are reliant on the Sybil, who knows if they can afford to let the public know a murderer can have a perfect psycho-pass. And that the dominator has a fatal flaw. Considering this is Japan where wiping problems under the carpet is the norm, it would be hardly surprising if they tried to hide the issue instead of solving it. The fact the officers have had no training with simpler weapons is also another strong sign how much they depend on these fancy things instead of their own brains.
This is pretty much what I expected from Makishima, so it was hardly unexpected in the bigger picture, though I didn't predict the girl dying. But I suppose it was a high time for Akane to experience something disastrous like that. In this show, that is, not that all officers normally would ever need to experience such incidents, but she's a main character.
Well fuck that level of despair was almost Berserk like for me.
Few points ahead :
-Now the next discussion at the MWSBP is going to get interesting. Dominator have been so far a one click kill tool, but now it means the antagonist can actually fight back.
-Interesting how Makishima said that his PP rating has always been pure, I would have found rather hollow the fact he altered it through hacking or drugs. Now that makes him a prophet or a bug, either way things are going to get bumpy.
-Japan has a problem with guns but now Pyscho Pass has a problem with Japan (or Sybil). That all "Can the rules really protect us" thing will be decisive on how strong the plot is going to be. I think Production IG can pull that off I would hate to be disappointed.
- At this point Psycho Pass, can go Witcher hunter Robin or Ghost in the Shell SAC : what do you think will happen ? I'm really looking forward to what is going to be hypothesized in this thread
Pfft, this is just the appetizer.
This is by Gen Urobuchi, despair and misery are his middle names.
Should I look up some of his previous work ? Anything in particular Arch ?
Fuck.
They killed Akane's cute friend.
I'm a bit torn though. I like that people like Makishima exist who in their own minds are so completely sane and justifiable that their pyscho-passes are below 100 now matter what horrible things they aid and abet. On the other hand, I think that it is absurdly cheap and a bit of a cop out that he can have the intent to slit an innocent's throat (and even do it) and still be clean.
The latter is kind of a load of shit.
In the Sybil's system, the killing of an innocent should be an auto-fire condition (no trigger pull required), regardless of their psycho-pass.
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The system can recognize non-sentient, non-living threats to the operator of the dominator, but it somehow can't recognize the imminent threat to innocent life?
That's an enormous gaping plot hole. It's next to impossible to justify that level of bullshit, just for drama's sake.
When developing a system like that, where it weighs a person's life and judges and executes them, you don't just forget to incorporate a thing like that.
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Madoka and Fate/Zero pop to mind but you've probably already watched those.
I'll have to disagree. While as a weapon it has a fatal flaw, its functioning can still be explained perfectly if up until now and especially during its testing phase there were simply no cases like this in existence. Or those cases could be convenielty forgotten (since it's Japan we are talking about). The Sybil has so thorough presence in the society that it probably made sense for the people to have the perfect system to judge whether a suspect should be shot or not. And if the companies developing the system could prove that somebody intending to kill another human would always qualify as a target, then what's the problem? There's no inherent unmonetary value in vehicles, robots, and such, so there's no particular need to judge them like humans. But if you want to remove all traces of human error from shooting humans, then it all must go through the psycho-pass readings. In theory a computer relying on visual data (like a human using their eyes) would be prone to errors as well, while the psycho-pass obviously was deemed infallible.
Most importantly, if it wasn't like this, then the whole huge presence of the Sybil in the society would be questionable, you must realise. If the authorities were forced to reveal that many cases must be left outside of the psycho-pass, then how could you create a society were people need to constantly stress over their psycho-pass to the point of turning into vegetables and where having a higher reading automatically forces you into treatment even if you had never done anything wrong? No, the Sybil and psycho-pass absolutely must be perfect for that society to function. This is why I said I wouldn't be surprised if Akane was silenced.
I think people are judged based on their psycho passes and inanimate threats are judged based on their lethality.
I agree with Kraco that this has worked all this time for them so they never accounted for an existence like Makishima. He is probably unique.
Peace.
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