Goku vs Superman

[TwisT]

I haven't watched the movie yet but i don't really see how Superman can win against Goku if he went all in. If Superman let Goku alone for just a few seconds he could do what he did to Cell during the Cell games where he loaded a Kamehameha and used instant transmission to fire it point blank. And i don't think Superman is that much faster then Cell was. Also if i remember correctly in some fights (i think in Goku vs Vegita during Majin Buu saga), blocked punches create shockwaves so big they destroy mountains. And it's also a question of how far into Dragonball we should count Goku's power. During Majin Buu saga he used SS3 and during DBGT he used SS4.

I will watch the video later when i get some time and see if I've learned something new since i'm not to familiar with Superman's full strength from the comics.

[Carnage]

This entire discussion is ridiculous.

Goku can overcome anything with a training arc.

Anything.

[UChessmaster]

Goku would absolutelly destroy superman.

[Animeniax]

Seeing as Goku can die and return from the dead, and Superman can go into stasis and revive himself with the power of the sun, it would be a perpetual battle that would probably never end. It would just take a long long long time to resolve itself, kind of like the Freeza saga.

[UChessmaster]

To win a fight you don`t have to kill the enemy, if goku punches a hole through supes` heart, he won`t come back, regardless, goku can win with one hand, no need to go super saiyan.

[Animeniax]

To win a fight you don`t have to kill the enemy, if goku punches a hole through supes` heart, he won`t come back, regardless, goku can win with one hand, no need to go super saiyan.

Have you watched the video? Apparently Goku doesn't have the power to punch a hole through Superman's heart. Superman's dense bio-molecular structure protects him from such an attack.

[UChessmaster]

I haven`t seen it, Superman`s abilities change every year or so because of different writers, most would agree he can`t do such a thing however. The most recent version, (new52 Superman), simply doesn`t has that.

I guess i should explain my point of view then, consider Goku when he fought Vegeta for the first time, Vegeta was angry because Goku`s power level was over 9k (inb4 what!? 9000!?), it`s fair to say that Goku and Vegeta were about even that fight, if I recall correctly, Vegeat tried to destroy earth in a desperate attack, so to destroy planet earth you need a power level of about 9k, now fast foward to Freeza`s saga, it was clearly stated that Freeza`s power level was above 1 million, so it`s safe to assume Goku`s own power level was above 1 million as well, remember, to destroy earth you need about 9k, and Goku has well over a million during Freeza`s saga. Meanwhile, Superman got knocked unconscious by a train in action comics 001... a train, strenghtwise, superman is an ant.

[Archangel]

I haven`t seen it, Superman`s abilities change every year or so because of different writers, most would agree he can`t do such a thing however. The most recent version, (new52 Superman), simply doesn`t has that.

I guess i should explain my point of view then, consider Goku when he fought Vegeta for the first time, Vegeta was angry because Goku`s power level was over 9k (inb4 what!? 9000!?), it`s fair to say that Goku and Vegeta were about even that fight, if I recall correctly, Vegeat tried to destroy earth in a desperate attack, so to destroy planet earth you need a power level of about 9k, now fast foward to Freeza`s saga, it was clearly stated that Freeza`s power level was above 1 million, so it`s safe to assume Goku`s own power level was above 1 million as well, remember, to destroy earth you need about 9k, and Goku has well over a million during Freeza`s saga. Meanwhile, Superman got knocked unconscious by a train in action comics 001... a train, strenghtwise, superman is an ant.

Jesus Chirst there's so much wrong in that post that i don't even know where to begin.

So i won't.

[Carnage]

Comparing characters from two different stories is retarded. A character is as strong as the author needs him to be. The people who made the video seemingly suck at understanding limits because even though superman has none, goku's ability to surpass any limit means his powers are limitless as well. Its essentially up to whether each author is willing to write a more ridiculous power for his protagonist.

In which case I would put my money on Toriyama, because he just really doesn't give a shit.


Edit: Uchessmaster, Goku's power level was around 32,000 during the saiyan arc. It was unclear whether Vegeta meant he would damage the planet, or destroy it. Either way, Toriyama revealed that Goku's power level eventually reaches ~32 billion by the Buu saga. But this is irrelevant, as per my argument above.

[UChessmaster]

Jesus Chirst there's so much wrong in that post that i don't even know where to begin.

Try the beginning.

So i won`t

Ok then, while you keep on thinking of nothing to say, i`ll just post this here.

Edit: Uchessmaster, Goku's power level was around 32,000 during the saiyan arc. It was unclear whether Vegeta meant he would damage the planet, or destroy it. Either way, Toriyama revealed that Goku's power level eventually reaches ~32 billion by the Buu saga. But this is irrelevant, as per my argument above.

My point kinda still stands though, Goku is MORE than capable of destroying planets, meanwhile, trains > supes.

[Shadow Skill]

That was funny to watch. Their powers cannot be measured but they measure them anyway. If you take all their learned powers over the decades, Superman does have the upperhand in any fight. Wasn't Superman only able to jump in the first comic superman appeared in?

[Animeniax]

You can't really say Superman "learned" his powers, the writers just gave him new powers that are a natural consequence of his being in a solar system with a yellow sun. Goku on the other hand had training and instruction from different masters to learn his techniques. As was said, Goku's official story ended with DB GT (as far as I know), meanwhile Superman is continually evolving and gaining new powers as a comic character that gets new writers every few years.

[UChessmaster]

You can't really say Superman "learned" his powers, the writers just gave him new powers that are a natural consequence of his being in a solar system with a yellow sun. Goku on the other hand had training and instruction from different masters to learn his techniques. As was said, Goku's official story ended with DB GT (as far as I know), meanwhile Superman is continually evolving and gaining new powers as a comic character that gets new writers every few years.

New writers doesn`t means he`ll get stronger, they can also make him weaker.

[Animeniax]

New writers doesn`t means he`ll get stronger, they can also make him weaker.

True, but as far as I've seen, they don't tend to make the hero weaker, they just make new enemies stronger, then the hero even stronger to rise to the occasion.

he has some solar power stored, some reflected by the moon, and some generated by plot.
I meant survive at space without any sun around. and by some minutes I means several months, like the time when doomsday "Killed" him.

What if Goku teleported himself and Superman to one of those empty training voids (I think I recall those from DBZ) where there is no sun? Once Superman's reserves drained, he'd be toast.

[Paper]

Goku hands down would win the fight against Superman. Superman weakness is magic and krypt... Goku weakness....none. Superman is not a push over since he can move at Godlike speed.reverse time, freeze, shoot lasers, juggle tanks, get revive from death from the sun... That being said Goku can easily destroy the sun... theoretically speaking if piccolo can blow up the moon "understanding it being very small in mass compare to the sun" he did it at a very low level power in the beginning... Goku at his final stage "was that guy" he can destroy anything...superman is only brute strength were Goku have martial arts, dragon flame shit, (forgot the name),kamehame wave, spirit bomb, solar flare,tri technique, kaio ken, super saiyan levels... Goku would win in the long run... question is could Goku breathe in space? not sure if anyone mention it earlier...Couldn't say i recall anything were Goku was in space without a space suit which doesn't matter really cause Goku can teleport anywhere he wants , he even teleport to save his son while he was dead.... now that is very Gangsta. I apologize for the horrible grammar had some nyquil earlier and some muscles relaxes sprain the shit out of my leg in pain

[TwisT]

I watched the clip and i guess comic Superman is much stronger then the movies or cartoons that i have seen. I still find it funny that Superman gets beaten up by Doomsday if he has this kind of strength. By just rotating his body to face Doomsday he should create a force strong enough to disintegrate Doomsday instantly.

The problem here is what Animeniax brings up. DB was around for 10(?) years or so before it was ended. Superman is called the worlds oldest Superhero since he was brought to life in the 30's. Thats 80 years for them to just continue to upgrade his powers. Powers that he doesn't seem to earn in any way. They did mention that he trained that fighting style of his, but his actual powers just grow by them selfs.

[Buffalobiian]

That being said Goku can easily destroy the sun

question is could Goku breathe in space?

These were addressed in the video. Goku can't destroy the sun without killing himself, and he can't breath in space.

Regarding the teleport point, Goku needs concentration to do that. I'm not sure he could teleport to safety if the earth blew up in the heat of battle. He couldn't teleport when he was being chased one time.

[Death BOO Z]

you don't need to be super strong to destroy the sun, Rohsi shot the moon down and he has around 100 (whatever powerlevel measures are called), even considering it was Dragon Ball and not Dragon Ball Z. taking out the sun shouldn't take more than 10000 units of whatever.
still, Superman wins.
supes can survive some minutes without the sun present, and can travel to different solar systems. Goku needs a working eco-system to survive in. goku can theoretically destroy every non red sun and start living there, but it doesn't fit him to do so.

about superman going off the rails after being hit by a train...
a. if he took it at full force, the train would evaporate, killing anyone onboard and go through nuclear fusion.
b. two can play at that game. Goku needed to go supersaiyan to lift a bus at one time (episode 110, probably based on the superhero genre conventions).

Superman wins because he can't lose. Goku loses alot, and that's why he sometimes wins.

[UChessmaster]

b. two can play at that game. Goku needed to go supersaiyan to lift a bus at one time (episode 110, probably based on the superhero genre conventions).

Somehow, this doesn`t seems awfully canon to the manga.

Superman wins because he can't lose. Goku loses alot, and that's why he sometimes wins.

Doomsday, Shazam, Darkseid, anyone in the animated series.

True, but as far as I've seen, they don't tend to make the hero weaker, they just make new enemies stronger, then the hero even stronger to rise to the occasion.

For the record, the current Superman (Grant Morrison`s) is one of the weakest i`ve ever seen, so if you go by the most updated version... he`s still no match.

[Animeniax]

For the record, the current Superman (Grant Morrison`s) is one of the weakest i`ve ever seen, so if you go by the most updated version... he`s still no match.

Leave it to a capable writer like Morrison to rein in Superman's powers. If he's all-powerful and unbeatable, then really what's the point of writing about him? Glad to see there are still legit writers/artists working in comics. Death to the Kuberts.