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    To be completely honest. I face palmed when I read your post, followed by getting angry at the fact that you are so obstinate that you cannot see the flaws in your own argument. My initial instinct was to call you a moron and just completely ridicule all your posts but I'll refrain. Instead
    In this exact same chapter, sasuke says the reason he was able to counter Deidara was because "my eyes give color to chakra" hence in the image you quoted, Sasuke is only able to see those bugs because they're completely full of chakra. So what is so special about the sharingan that it can distinguish one body full of chakra from another?
    If you think about it for a minute or two then it may come to you. Also if you cannot tell the difference between this and this then I cannot help you.
    The Sharingan's main abilities excluding MS have been shown to be of a "following" nature, whereas the Byakugan is more of a "insightful/penetrating" nature.
    Lol and here I thought the sharingan's main abilities as has been stated many times, including when it was first introduced here, is that it gives you the ability to see through, read, copy and defeat all of your opponent's jutsus. The sharingan also has a penetrating eye or eye of insight, depending on which translation you wish to use and an eye of hynosis which gives then superior genjutsu,
    (Going of the previously made statement that the Byakugan was superior to the Sharingan, long before Sharinganigans) If the Byakugan can't tell the difference, how could the Sharingan?
    When was this statement made and by whom? The only thing you can possibly be referring to is this. That was an opinion and not a fact and it has been shown to not be true. This is really idiotic, if you are arguing so doggedly based on a supposition that you developed as a result of Kakashi giving his opinion on something nearly 550 chapters ago. Especially considering that since that time his opinion has clearly been proven wrong. For example on that same page it is suggested that the Uchiha clan evolved from the Hyuga clan which led to the popular theory that the sharingan was some evolved form of the byakugan which we know is wrong. See the sage of the six paths' powers being divided between his two sons. One, the Uchiha progenitor, getting his eyes and the other, the Senju progenitor, getting his body. Hell in that same chapter Neji demonstrates the byakugan's superior abilities of insight by deducing Hinata's mental and emotional state simply by observing her body language. Something most people do instinctively.

    As to how the sharingan could possibly be able to do something the byakugan can't do, the answer is simple. The sharingan is not the byakugan. The byakugan does not give the user the ability to copy other jutsu nor does the sharingan give the user a nearly 360 field of vision. So to answer your question, A is not B.
    Um that's what I said? Though if the original body is being "divided" how exactly would you tell which one is original? On top of that, everytime we've seen the bunshin, a poof of smoke obscures the caster
    The original body is not being divided, it is being copied, there is a huge difference. If you were to cut off the ears of one of Naruto's shadow clones, when the technique is released Naruto would not have any physical wounds on his body. Whereas if Naruto loses his ears all his subsequent clones would be earless. Hypothetical scenario and a very bad one at that but the point stands. Secondly we do not in fact see a poof of smoke every time a shadow clone is made and I do believe the smoke appears around the clone itself. Similar to the smoke we see when something is summoned.

    If you want examples, from Naruto Wiki, I'm not going to take this as concrete since there's no sources to the manga cited;
    In the anime episode Brothers: Distance Among the Uchiha, Sasuke Uchiha claims that the Sharingan can distinguish clones from the original. This contradicts the manga and other anime episodes.
    Yeah I am aware of that, which is why I didn't use it to simply put an end to this before and to clarify the statement isn't really contradictory since there is nothing in the manga then for it to contradict. It is simply something that was added to that episode that was not in the manga.
    Fuck, Kakashi couldn't even tell the difference between Zabuza and his water clone, and Itachi showed no evidence of distinguishing Kakashi's clones in both of their fights.
    Again, those are two very bad examples to use. Kakashi did afterall see through and copy Zabuza's first clone, it was his second clone that he was unable to counter. Despite that after being freed from the water prison Kakashi totally dominated that fight because of the sharingan and it was Haku who had to rescue Zabuza. In addition Kakashi has said many many times, including in that fight, that he cannot use the sharingan properly because of his low chakra capacity and the fact that he is not an Uchiha. If you remember, Kakashi passed out after that fight and was unable to move for a week. In fact every time Kakashi has used the sharingan for any significant amount of time he was incapacitated afterwards. After he and Naruto fought Deidara he had to be carried back to Konoha by Gai. He died when he fought Pain and was revived by Nagato and during the current battle he was nearly about to die again before Kurama gave him chakra. After the battle with Kakuzu he said simply using MS completely drains him. It should also be noted that during that fight with Zabuza he also said that the sharingan doesn't fall for the same technique twice.

    The Itachi example is bad because in their second fight Itachi's objective was not to defeat them but to delay them as long as possible and his actions later would suggest that he intentionally threw that fight as well as others in order to protect the leaf. Also in their first fight both Kakashi and Itachi were able to detect each other's clones. Really Kakashi's first battle against both Zabuza and Itachi are two great examples of how sharingan users can dominate their opponents.
    Now I think everyone will agree that this manga of full of inconsistencies and loopholes, the author just creates dues ex machinas whenever the fuck he wants, so you really shouldn't be looking into it too much.
    This isn't really about whether I am reading into it too much or not. It is not even about whether the sharingan can see through shadow clones or not. This is about you asserting that the sharingan cannot see through shadow clones and stating that there is no evidence that supports it can, nor can you see any reason why it would. When your entire argument is based on the fact that the byakugan can't and you believe the byakugan to be superior to the sharingan and that is just ridiculous. I am just upset that you cannot make a sound and convincing argument.

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    Has it even been shown that there exists an "original" Naruto when shadow clones are out? The best I can recall is Naruto summoning a bunch of clones to beat the living shit out of each other until only the "real" one was left. But assuming there is no "real" one, then it doesn't matter which clone was the last clone standing, it would be the actual Naruto.
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