I know right? I don`t know where these people complaining about "ridiculous techniques" keep coming from at THIS point in the series. Somehow i bet we`ll be discussing the same shit next week as well.
I know right? I don`t know where these people complaining about "ridiculous techniques" keep coming from at THIS point in the series. Somehow i bet we`ll be discussing the same shit next week as well.
You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
Well, excuse me for still putting some hope into Naruto. Itīs stupid, I know, but sometimes I canīt helpt it. And just this time, I felt like the story got worse yet again by having such extreme healing powers. Ignoring the fact by how meaningless it made all those injuries of the Kages. Itīs almost as bad as Nagatoīs reviving jutsu...Originally Posted by UChessmaster
I couldn`t imagine you with no hope. Also, you misunderstood my point entirely. good job. It`s not about complaining about this technique being ridiculous, is about complaining when there are TONS of techniques just as ridiculous already established, and you didn`t complain about those, or maybe you did, who knows.
This is like watching Finding Nemo then at the last 10 minutes realize you don`t like movies with fishes in it.
You don`t like how ridiculous these techniques are? SPOILERS: more techniques just as ridiculous will be used before the end of the series, feel free to get a new hobby.
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You cannot hope to build a better world without improving the individuals. To that end each of us must work for his own improvement, and at the same time share a general responsibility for all humanity, our particular duty being to aid those to whom we think we can be most useful. -Marie Curie
This manga has an unrealistic grasp on all of you. I bet none of you have ever met in person yet you care about what someone says about a CARTOON ABOUT NINJAS.....we all clearly enjoy the series. It just has plot points that make it hard to suspend your disbelief, ESPECIALLY when it stumbles over itself to produce fights or outcomes that are hindered by the previously set rules in the plot.
All in all lets enjoy the manga and discuss how good/bad the chapters are. I mean let's face it it could be worse......we could be reading Bleach right now....*shudders*
Anyways, the kages will show up and power of friendship no jutsu will be in full effect when an injured obito sees the living and dead kage along with the ENTIRE ninja world against his cause. Maybe he will have a change of heart
Katsuyu wasn't healing anyone, she stopped the injuries from progressing to death; think of it as cryogenic freezing, maintaining the bare minimum of vitals wouldn't cost that much energy hence her comment about sustaining the summon and oro's comment about the snails pace of the recovery.
This wasn't healing, it was life support.
But then again, this explains all of your shitty reasoning:
As I have stated many times I want her to die and I am tired of her death being teased
Ah DS. Yes she was not healing anyone she stopped fatal injuries from progressing to death and that naturally does not require healing. Really?
Why do you assume that maintaining life in a bisected body would not cost that much energy. Did you miss when I said we have no idea how much it would cost to sustain life in two halves of a bisected body but I am assuming it would be more than was needed to heal a stab wound. Not to mention that she would be doing the same for the other kages as well since I doubt their injuries were any less life threatening, as Madara was trying to kill them all. I so don't want to have to restate points I already made since you are probably going to dismiss them anyway.
Here it is, over explaining again.
Tsunade's mitotic regeneration jutsu requires a megaton of chakra. It is a forbidden technique because it works by forcing the body to rapidly generate new cells as opposed to simply repairing damaged ones. It puts a tremendous strain on the user and drastically shortens their life span. As has been shown many times when Tsunade runs out of chakra she collapses and reverts to her aged appearance. In the very beginning of this battle Naruto asked her if using her technique was not going to cause her to collapse like she did when Pain attacked Konoha. She that unlike then she isn't using her technique on anyone else only on herself and her injuries aren't severe and she still has a lot of chakra saved up. Earlier in this very same battle when she was running low on chakra she had to deflect a few of Madara's fireballs and simply healing her burnt arms required so much power that her technique ran out and she collapsed and had to be saved from Madara by Dan.
Lets move on to summoning. As we know high level summons like Katsuyu, Gamabunta and Manda require a ton of chakra. Jiraiya had to throw Naruto off a cliff just to force his body to use enough of the Kyuubi's chakra to summon anything bigger than a young Gamakichi. The only people who have used such high level summoning at all, much less in battle, were The sannin and their various students, Hanzo, Pain, and Hiruzen(if you count Enma). They are all powerhouses.
Assuming you aren't going to dispute any of that here is my shitty reasoning as you put it. Simple assumptions based on things that were explicitly stated. Tsunades technique requires a ton of chakra to use. The fact that it took Sakura so long just to store enough chakra to use it reinforces that. Summoning Katsuyu also requires a ton of chakra. Katsuyu said that she is using Tsunade's technique and the reason Tsunade's recovery is so slow is because Tsunade has so little power that Katsuyu has to focus on maintaining the summoning. This would not be so much of an issue if Kishi had not spent years establishing how much chakra all these techniques require and spent years establishing that when Tsunade takes on that aged appearance it is because she is completely out of energy. Even without those 2 established facts it would not be a problem but that he made Katsuyu state explicitly that her power depends on Tsunade's byakugo power when Tsunade is in a state where she is unable to use said power. Amazing!
Back to semantics, Katsuyu's words implied that she was indeed attempting to heal Tsunade and not simply maintain life support and the healing was going very slowly because she could not use her full power but as I said it is semantics. I just really find it odd that you would say that when I specifically mentioned how much energy would be required simply to sustain life in Tsunade's state and even inquired as to how long she has been like this. My best guess is that it has been a few hours at least. Time enough for Madara to leave the kages and get to Obito, that battle to happen, Sasuke and company to arrive and Orochimaru get to Tsunade. That said it is hard to believe that Tsunade has the power to maintain the summoning and sustain her own life and that of the other kages in the state she is in. Just prior to this, when she was in obviously much better condition, simply healing some mostly superficial and definitely not life threatening burns cause her technique to run out and she collapsed.
Whatever though and I am going to ignore the implication that the reason for my supposed shitty reasoning is that I am foaming at the mouth to see Tsunade die and will of course be unsatisfied with anything less than her gruesome death. Lol. I guess you saw my simple statement that I want her to die as bait and you of course took it. Her death is not that important by the way, just something that has been hinted at numerous times now and yet never happened. The deaths of the 2 other Sannin were hinted at equally as much and in Orochimaru's case "happened" more than once even. So I just wanted her to but Oro is back now so whatever. I guess Jiraiya should have developed some form of an immortality jutsu like the other two.
My problem is that this is all just bad writing. Tsunade lives, Tsunade dies, whatever. Just explain it properly. Not to mention that this means that the great and powerful Madara, Madara whose very name is dread, could not even manage to kill the 5 kage. Props to him.
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Yeah, because that's what life support does, aiding in vital functions to prevent the subject from dying, there isn't actually any healing involved.
I didn't read the rest of your scientific paper.
Are you refering to this?:
"Why do you assume" goes both ways, cept your assumption is really stupid; you really think it would require more energy to stop someone from bleeding out and keep the heart going than it would to actively repair and restore the damaged or missing tissue from a stab wound?Why do you assume that maintaining life in a bisected body would not cost that much energy. Did you miss when I said we have no idea how much it would cost to sustain life in two halves of a bisected body but I am assuming it would be more than was needed to heal a stab wound.
If you were refering to some other argument you made you'll have to point it out for me, or just stop writing instruction manuals in the future.
Lot's of TLDR in this thread all of a sudden. Let me just put my two cents in:
1) Cutting a person through the waist does not immediately kill them. If we are to believe that medical ninjutsu is just rapid regeneration of cells, then all Katsuyu is doing is reconnecting what's been severed. A surefire mortal way to kill Tsunade would've been to slice through her skull, instead.
2) Anyone remember how Tsunade only had a 50% chance at fixing Lee's spine? Lol.
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Exactly and it is hard to believe that Madara after mentioning numerous times that Hashirama's techniques were superior to Tsunade's would not know how to kill her. Considering how marvelously inconsistent he has been I am willing to believe he just gave them a beating for the hell of it. Tsunade has given her speech about never dying in battle but that lasts only so long as she has the chakra for it. This reminds me of Kakashi telling Naruto that he has 2x his chakra now go make 999 clones.
Yeah I remember and the histrionics about Neji almost dying and Choji using the food pills. Blah Blah. I also wonder why Sakura didn't whip this out to go save Neji you know or maybe she had only stored up enough chakra at the exact moment Sasuke arrived.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
Good lord stop writing enormous walls of text you stupid fuckers.
Hahahaha.
Yes DS. I gathered from your previous post in which you brought up a point I had already mentioned that you do not bother to read my posts before responding to them, as that would require you to be far less smug. If your ego ever allows you to descend to the level of the rest of us and actually read a post before responding to it, let me know. I fear you will somehow only manage to become more condescending though.
This was pretty short I hope you read it.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
Tsunade surviving is lame IMO. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Jiraiya was swallowed by a giant sea unicorn with magical powers that revived his body and called back his soul. It just takes X amount of days (x being whatever time has passed until he arrives). Or hell, maybe Neji got impaled by those Juubi sticks that were infused with some sort of chemical that froze his insides so even though he appeared to die, he's just there waiting for Tsunade to do some uber medical defrost jutsu so he lives too.
Or, if they are really "dead", then probably Naruto somehow will get the rinnegan at the end of the manga and do that resurrection thingy and revive EVERYONE. Itachi, Nagato, his mum and pops, Jiraiya, Neji, Asuma, Hiruzen, the whole Uchiha clan, Zabuza, Haku, and everyone who died in this fail "war". One big happy shounen family and World Peace.
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