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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    At least one author misunderstood the theory of flight magic according to Tatsuya. If it's a prominent review that's been peer-evaluated and no one's spoken up about how it's wrong, you can assume that no one in the field really had a good grasp of the concept besides Tatsuya.
    If you look at how airplanes were developed, that theory doesn't hold water. They were developed everywhere, following their own paths, even if some basic things ended up the same. But then again, if you look at birds or insects, they also share a lot of flying related details among their groups. It simply take some basic things to fly, but otherwise different inventers did what they wanted. Peer-evaluation is also concept fitting for science and relatively modern engineering in companies (or institutions). It doesn't apply to the kinds of brilliant visionaries airplane design relied on for a long time during its early development. Just like Tatsuya doesn't need anybody to evaluate his inventions.

    If gravity control had been needed for fusion, then it would have been developed already, even without a single high schooler. Unless we are supposed to be believe that the world never had a single decent magician before Tatsuya was born, and thus there was nobody around to invent anything worth mentioning. Ironically enough this very episode proves that wrong with the relic even Tatsuya is unsure he could replicate because it's so complicated craftsmanship, meaning brilliant magicians capable of creating such things existed already in the ancient past.

    Shinta's theory seems like something that would obviously greatly benefit a lone inventer, but multi-million research teams would be able to deal with it sufficiently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Shinta's theory seems like something that would obviously greatly benefit a lone inventer, but multi-million research teams would be able to deal with it sufficiently.
    How can you know that? There is literally no way to relate it to the real world. We have no magic. There is no one in the world with a singular skill like Tatsuya does. You can complain how convenient it is for him to have that singular skill, but he is the main character, and they usually have something like that.

    Even if you have millions of researchers that focused on flight (which you don't, because that would skew job distribution), they can't solve a problem that is supposedly unsolvable given their limited perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    Even if you have millions of researchers that focused on flight (which you don't, because that would skew job distribution), they can't solve a problem that is supposedly unsolvable given their limited perspective.
    No it wouldn't skew anything. People have wanted to fly from the ancient times, that much is clear. And you can bet that if we didn't have airplanes right now, because nobody had invented them (unimaginable, but for the sake of the argument, let's try to imagine it), then you can bet there indeed would be millions of people on Earth trying to think how we could fly. And a week from now we would be flying as airplanes are so simple an uneducated person can build a perfectly working one from regular junk at his backyard. It's utterly unimaginable that in a world of magic and a population in billions a million people wouldn't be giving some thought to the matter. A good portion of them would then be serious people, and again a good portion of those would actually be paid good money and have high resources. Flying kicks ass, after all.

    When Tatsuya explained it, the explanation didn't even sound complicated. There's absolutely no reason why one would then need some mysterious tenth sense to figure it out like you claim. We already know the magical nuclear fusion would require something an ancient civilization already produced in the form of those relics (go figure why savages could construct them and the modern world can't), so even that doesn't need Tatsuya and his eleventh extra sense.

    This story's writing simply has this unbelievable stupidity on a universal scale that's supposed to make Tatsuya look really cool and smart. And perhaps some 13 years old would buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    When Tatsuya explained it, the explanation didn't even sound complicated. There's absolutely no reason why one would then need some mysterious tenth sense to figure it out like you claim.
    This is just your assumption. How would you know how complicated the process was before he came to such conclusions? I don't. You don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    This story's writing simply has this unbelievable stupidity on a universal scale that's supposed to make Tatsuya look really cool and smart. And perhaps some 13 years old would buy it.
    You repeat this in almost every post making it appear more as bias than a proper evaluation.

    It seems that nothing anyone can say can make any explanation in this show believable to you, so I will just let it go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinta|hikari View Post
    It seems that nothing anyone can say can make any explanation in this show believable to you, so I will just let it go.
    Sure you can let it go. But let me just remind you that the things I was complaining about were merely two individual details, one of which is merely a possibility: The flying and, possibly, the fusion. I won't be complaining about the relic because it's obvious it has been sitting in some vault for decades, everybody thinking it's impossible to replicate and figure out - because nobody decent ever tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    If gravity control had been needed for fusion, then it would have been developed already, even without a single high schooler. Unless we are supposed to be believe that the world never had a single decent magician before Tatsuya was born, and thus there was nobody around to invent anything worth mentioning. Ironically enough this very episode proves that wrong with the relic even Tatsuya is unsure he could replicate because it's so complicated craftsmanship, meaning brilliant magicians capable of creating such things existed already in the ancient past.
    One distinction that I think is important is that Magician != Magic Engineer.

    Additionally, Cardinal George was also credited with major magic engineering advancement and he is also in high school.

    It is also possible they are in an age of a "Magic Renaissance" where magic engineering has previously taken a back seat to magic activation speed and power output, but now is being recognized for its importance and contribution, thus is getting more focus. And as David pointed out, its possible Tatsuya is a "1 in a billion" kind of guy.

    Edit for above post: While the relic may be the key to sustainable fusion, we also don't know what the relics intended purpose is/was. Just because it is the key to fusion doesn't mean the people who created it ever thought of the application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exglitch67 View Post
    Edit for above post: While the relic may be the key to sustainable fusion, we also don't know what the relics intended purpose is/was. Just because it is the key to fusion doesn't mean the people who created it ever thought of the application.
    Well, yeah, nuclear fusion requires modern science. The relic is ancient, so if it really is what Tatsuya and others think it is, then it was probably used for something far simpler, like maintaining a perimeter or whatever the people of the past could think of.

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