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    Tatsuya = Badassery.

    It seems like Tatsuya only got pissed when the dude dissed Miyuki. He really deserved what he got. I hope we get an explanation as to what happened in the next episode.
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    Tatsuya+Megane came to the conclusion that no one is an ordinary civilian in that school.
    I thought I understood their country is at war.

    Guess is Tatsuya for some reason already has plenty of real life battle time under his belt, explaining why he's so good at compensating his low magical abilities.
    Also, when he complained how slow his magical power activated, it might be that he once had much better powers. And the reason he's like he is might be linked to his sister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Omg i know right the mc is just so dreamy and powerful!!

    Not to be repetitive but again they keep skipping any sort of explanation on how any of this stuff actually works, i'm assuming so they have more time to have Tatsuya be as kakooi as possible.
    I don't know about that. He shouldn't be so super dreamy or cool. How close he is to the sister should make him even a bit creepy. I hope the story won't force an overly obsessive harem on him.

    Quote Originally Posted by fireheart View Post
    No idea but judging from the intro something really bad happened to Miyuki in the past so that might be the reason why Tatsuya looks after her so much.
    That's clear, and it works even more the other way around, but from my point of view that's all the more reason for him to try to rebuild her into an independent person, not somebody who's still dependent on her brother despite being old enough to be a high schooler. It should also bother him how forcefully grateful she is and obviously sorry only she's officially acknowledged.

    Quote Originally Posted by fireheart View Post
    Weirdest thing so far is that family doesn't seem to matter judging by how people react to the two siblings. Really who cares if you acknowledge her brother or not, it's not like it's going to change the fact that he is her brother and family, which should mean she belongs with him as family and not with a bunch of strangers.
    Miyuki was the freshman representative and thus assured a seat in the student council. Elite, in other words. To maintain the discrimination, especially the elites among the Course 1 shouldn't stick to the Course 2 students. Needless to say, sycophantic people would like to be friends with the elites like Miyuki but definitely not a Weed like Tatsuya. If Miyuki and Tatsuya were more normal siblings without some grim history binding them together, I doubt they would exchange overly many words at the school grounds during a day. They would both have their own friends and circles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    That's clear, and it works even more the other way around, but from my point of view that's all the more reason for him to try to rebuild her into an independent person, not somebody who's still dependent on her brother despite being old enough to be a high schooler. It should also bother him how forcefully grateful she is and obviously sorry only she's officially acknowledged
    Yeah I agree but judging by the fact they seemed pretty young at the time it may have left him pretty scarred so that he feels compelled to protect her, though it doesn't seem to go with his current personality at all. It could be the reason for the flashback scenes in the first episode, still it's only guesswork based on normal anime troupes so who knows the show might go a different way.

    Probably useless to think about but maybe Miyuki would be less clingy if everyone acknowledged Tatsuya instead. She obviously feel some kind of debt to her for all he's done and feel that people don't know his true worth hence she has to acknowledge him more, it may even be doubled because of their father who seems to dismiss him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Miyuki was the freshman representative and thus assured a seat in the student council. Elite, in other words. To maintain the discrimination, especially the elites among the Course 1 shouldn't stick to the Course 2 students. Needless to say, sycophantic people would like to be friends with the elites like Miyuki but definitely not a Weed like Tatsuya. If Miyuki and Tatsuya were more normal siblings without some grim history binding them together, I doubt they would exchange overly many words at the school grounds during a day. They would both have their own friends and circles.
    True but in those cases it seems the smarter thing to do is to ignore Tatsuya like the Vice President did at first instead of making a huge scene over it. Even if they were more normal siblings Miyuki would be pissed if someone acted that way towards her brother (I'm assuming because I would), so considering the crowd and going that far only serves to push most people away.

    I get that they want to hang out with the elite but this show is making them look like they don't even have any common sense. If she already had plans they could have a) made plans to hang out a different time or b) ask if they can follow her to the train station like that other girl did, none of these option would rub her the wrong way and would allow them to ignore Tatsuya. It'd also lead to them having different friends which is probably why it didn't happen. In short pestering and coercing a person to hang out on the first day they met isn't a good way to get closer to someone and makes me think they lack common sense and the ability to think about the other person.
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    Miyuki being about 30% pure crazy (maybe even a little yandere toward her brother) certainly adds to the dynamic. It felt like she would have been more than happy to murder the vice-president over insulting her brother. She wasn't paying attention to the secretary at all once he started protesting Tatsuya's appointment. Then you have her immediate attempt to get her brother into the Student Council in an effort to redeem the perceived slander he's taken by being in Course 2, her happy-then-crushed reaction over his joke confession, and the doe eyes she gives him whenever they interact.

    I also thought it was hilarious that the girl who was more than happy to use what I can only guess was a lethal spell on the Weeds last episode was putty in his hands after he covered for her.

    But ultimately, I think my two favorite characters are Erika and Mari.

    Erika is oblivious to the fact that she's basically a Samurai Supreme. I can only guess the reason she is Course 2 is because she's so extremely specialized. The others seem to have realized that her activating her device and loading it full with magic (at a higher capacity than normally required) requires such immense skill and timing to the point that the "there's no civilians in this school" comment was made. Like Tatsuya, Erika acknowledges that other mages get overconfident in their powers, and someone like her (or the monk Tatsuya trained with) can easily put them down by closing the gap with an enhanced physical strike or countering their spell as it is being cast. Her personality isn't bad either, she not annoying and she's not too stupid.

    Mari is great because she's a match for Tatsuya. She probably doesn't seem to have the extreme analysis Tatsuya does, but she obviously figured out what he had done the previous day, particularly lying for Honoka's sake about what spell she was about to use when she and the President countered it. From their expressions (President surprised and Mari suspicious), the two of them both knew he was lying. Following this, Mari was more than happy to smooth things over with Miyuki by taking him into the disciplinary council. The president took the opportunity and sealed the deal, obtaining Miyuki for herself, railroading Tatsuya into the disciplinary committee, and taking the first shot at the growing discrimination problem. That Mari and Mayumi recognize it as a problem is good enough, even better that they found the perfect patsy to take care of it for them. The two of them are a pretty nasty combo, but I think Mari takes the lead because she doesn't have the overly-nice fakery that the President has.


    On the negative side: Miyuki, Mayumi (president), Mizuki (bakunyuu megane). Not too creative with names here, are we? We already had the Shibata (Mizuki), Chiba (Erika), and Shiba (Tatsuya/Miyuki) gag, so they're already over the last names too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireheart View Post
    True but in those cases it seems the smarter thing to do is to ignore Tatsuya like the Vice President did at first instead of making a huge scene over it. Even if they were more normal siblings Miyuki would be pissed if someone acted that way towards her brother (I'm assuming because I would), so considering the crowd and going that far only serves to push most people away.
    Very true. But then again, they weren't the most intelligent people to begin with, I guess. Sycophants, like I said in the previous post. They think they will become cooler themselves simply by hanging out with genuinely cool or talented people. Can't expect too much from such folks, so in that sense they were almost believable. After all, magical talent is the decisive factor in getting enrolled, intelligence and wisdom being of secondary importance. Theoretically there might be real stupid brutes with vast if simple magical abilities, depending on how the magic really works in that world. It was said they don't really even know themselves how the brain processes it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    Miyuki being about 30% pure crazy (maybe even a little yandere toward her brother) certainly adds to the dynamic. It felt like she would have been more than happy to murder the vice-president over insulting her brother. She wasn't paying attention to the secretary at all once he started protesting Tatsuya's appointment. Then you have her immediate attempt to get her brother into the Student Council in an effort to redeem the perceived slander he's taken by being in Course 2, her happy-then-crushed reaction over his joke confession, and the doe eyes she gives him whenever they interact.
    Don't read too much into it. I'd say 90% of people would have been unable to concentrate on some lecture if their important family member was being insulted behind their back. In fact I'd say it would take a crazy person not to care. I'm also quite certain Miyuki had planned out her actions beforehand, that is, demand the student council to employ Tatsuya as well. I actually like it how she pushes forward to defend him whenever an opportunity presents itself, despite Tatsuya repeatedly trying to make her stop it. That gives her some activity and personality. She's not entirely under his control, no matter how much she obviously respects and loves him.

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    I think the discrimination against weeds is just that bad, since even the vice president of the student council was such an ass. He has to be capable enough if he was selected for his position, so even skilled people can be complete asshats.
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    The vice-president's situation could be a bit more complex. He's Hattori Hanzo (of all things), so he might have lots of pressure to perform exceptionally well and get a position. Since he's obviously not a genius, he might have turned into a douche as a result of the expectations placed on him and the consequent heavy work and loss of personal freedom. On the other hand, we don't know how they were selected. Miyuki is simply being invited in. Maybe the vice-president isn't the loser of the presidential elections but instead they were elected as a pair.

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    Wasn't it mentioned that only the president is elected and that the other positions are selected? I'm not entirely sure though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Omg i know right the mc is just so dreamy and powerful!! /kraco the fangirl

    Not to be repetitive but again they keep skipping any sort of explanation on how any of this stuff actually works, i'm assuming so they have more time to have Tatsuya be as kakooi as possible. I don't like the term but "tryhard" really seems to fit when describing the direction they're trying to take here, but i guess from Kraco's reaction it's working just as they wanted it to.
    worked for Darker than Black too and I don't know how they are suppossed to explain "magic" in the first place.

    so far we know that they use tools called CADs that have so called "sequences" (a.k.a. spells I guess) in them and they need Psyons to feed these sequences and just like chanting spells certain ones need longer than others.

    so its not really "fantasy magic" but some kind of technology-magic mix-thingy
    thats actually enough for 2 episodes in.

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    [HorribleSubs] Mahouka - 03


    Because it is just familial love when your sister knocks you out so she can mount you...

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    Based on episode 3, it's really not that much different from Index, only what is Esper there is magic here. Magic is calculated instead of cast by injecting those Psyons into the CADs (which do much of the processing for them). The caster really only has to set one or two values, and the CAD performs all the iterations and determines the solution, resulting in set particular effects.

    But since Tatsuya is oh so smart, he can do most of the processing in his head, solving multivariable calculus in seconds. This allows him to set off waves that converge at a given point. He defeated Hattori by Constructive Wave Interference, doing the calculation in his head. I imagine the cutting sword technique is setting off a vibrating wave around the shinai with an exceptionally high frequency and oscillation.

    Overall, it's a pretty smart way of doing things. This magic is rooted in actual physics, math, and science. The only technobabble is psyons.

    Since Tatsuya has no emotions, he's basically an autistic savant.
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    Another jolly ep as far as I'm concerned. The scientific magic is working quite nicely, all in all, and the theories and explanations are no worse than in Star Trek. It's also good not every single male of Course 1 will immediately hate Tatsuya, though plenty surely do. I found it a bit of a stretch the whole fricking club would attack a member of the disciplinary committee disregarding any consequences, but perhaps the foolish captain had only let in dudes similar to himself, that is, even bigger fools. I hope the female member of the other club Tatsuya is no doubt highly impressing won't become another one falling for him.

    The most interesting scene was the private lab Tatsuya was working in and Miyuki visited. While I was theoretically displeased by the growing incest theme, I was, however, quite fascinated by how that scene ended. It seemed to me Miyuki attacked Tatsuya with considerable force and Tatsuya's body automatically restored itself, although I belive he might have lost the most recent memories. This very much gave me the impression Miyuki has not only done that before but thinks nothing much of it, which would bring me to the other question: Tatsuya's humanity. Is he a regular human or some artificial thing? He seems to be omniscient rather than omnipotent, which is somewhat strange for a mere high schooler. That Miyuki can so offhandedly damage him suggests, to me, that she doesn't view him as a human being although she still loves him. Perhaps Tatsuya was nearly killed and seriously wounded in the past, saving Miyuki no doubt, and he was restored as some scientific magic zombie who remembers stuff perfectly like a computer but can't output magic like a human magician.

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    That Miyuki brocon scene was more graphic than I had imagined it to be. It really emphasizes how abnormal their relationship is.

    What magic did she use against Tatsuya? Was it the new non-lethal magic that she just had Tatsuya install? If so, he was basically used as a guinea pig.

    I agree about the sheer stupidity of the club members. Being someone who practices martial arts, seeing how Tatsuya easily fended them off should have already given them the impression that they are unable to beat him. All of them even started using magic!? How pathetic must Mari's group be to allow people like this to just randomly use magic and attack other students, much less disciplinary committee members? If they did their job properly, students should be afraid of breaking the rules. It's like they don't even care.
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    Mari is still the best character so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Is he a regular human or some artificial thing? He seems to be omniscient rather than omnipotent, which is somewhat strange for a mere high schooler. That Miyuki can so offhandedly damage him suggests, to me, that she doesn't view him as a human being although she still loves him. Perhaps Tatsuya was nearly killed and seriously wounded in the past, saving Miyuki no doubt, and he was restored as some scientific magic zombie who remembers stuff perfectly like a computer but can't output magic like a human magician.

    I think I am going to have to agree that Tasuya is some type of artificial life form. I am not suggesting that he wasn't human at some point in the past, but I think Kraco is correct that he is now some type of "scientific zombie". I think that's as good as a description can be given for now since we don't know if he is a cyborg, AI/robot or other magic creation. The evidence that leads me to believe that he is artificial mostly comes from episode 3, but there have been subtle hints the whole series. In episode 1 Tasuya was concerned about the girl with the glasses observing him because she could possibly discover his "secret". When fighting the ninjutsu master the instructor mentions how if it was simply taijutsu he may not stand a chance. Also through out the initial episodes we have seen Tasuya's extremely proficient use of keyboards with super human dexterity. In episode 3 the girl with the red hair kicked Tatsuya in the leg but she hurt herself instead of hurting him. I feel like this evidence along with the points already covered pretty much suggests Tasuya no longer has a human body.

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    Mahouka - 04 [HorribleSubs]



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    Well...unfortunately this series peaked fast.

    The whole Anti-Magic terrorist Equalists angle they develop in this episode is actually very disappointing. I think it has actually managed to cut my enthusiasm about subsequent episodes entirely. I find myself really not caring. They spent the last few minutes of the episode detailing that they will soon be facing off against...hypocrites. This sub-group of a fringe group (really, you can't make them fight the main group, you have them fight a group of sympathizers that are identified with...tricolor sweatbands? Lame.).

    But they don't distinguish themselves by coming up with interesting techniques like the one Tatsuya appears to have invented, they just use magic like everyone else. So, what's the point here? If they're using magic too, just have Tatsuya and pals come into contact with regular violent students, or some "purist" faction that hates Course 2 students. If they're using magic anyway, what the hell is the distinguishing factor that is supposed to keep me interested or care? Instead of going through some convoluted bullshit, just have them fight elitists.

    The nurse is obviously a spy for...WhoGivesAShit. It literally does not matter. There's no point in making it a twist if it is going to be telegraphed so obviously. Even if it isn't, and that's just some grand misdirection for disappointing fanservice, then it is even more pointless.

    The only good things this episode were Mari freaking out about Tatsuya tricking her into revealing who her crush is, the student council girls seeing what a psychopath Miyuki is when she froze their lunches just from a joke, and Mizuki not getting they were joking about incest (or accurately seeing that Miyuki is most definitely not joking).



    It's also the plot to the first season of The Legend of Korra, except they're hypocrites instead of having innovative fighting techniques and technology.
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    At least we learned Miyuki and Tatsuya are from one of the ten important families. I guess that explains the flashback of the first ep. The ten families might have been those who did the most in the world war. Was he already fighting these Equalists back then? I guess in the end this setting is almost believable. Similar things have been abundant in fiction and reality over the years. Organizations that on paper are fighting for something worthwhile yet in truth are only advancing the leadership's personal agenda. If a world has magic not available to everybody, creating an elite, it's 100% certain many organizations supposedly trying to change things would be born. It also makes sense the organization would try to operate in that particular school since it's the most important one. Those brainwashed young make the best material.

    This was the weakest ep so far, with only a few good scenes. The incest theme is also getting too prominent. The dude is so emotionsless (and thus asexual) that I guess he doesn't need anybody but his sister.

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    I can understand why they'd be so afraid of becoming Yotsubas again.


    Pet peeve kinda thing: This episode is titled "Enrollment IV". They've been through the entrance ceremony, both are on student organization councils, they have a group of trusted friends they hang out with every day, and they've been at school at least a week, possibly two based on the dialogue this episode.

    I think they're past enrollment.

    Why have episode titles at all if they're misleading? Even meaningless titles would be a minor improvement.

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    That's because the episode titles follow the light novel titles. The first 2 books were Enrollment 1 and 2, so I guess the anime just followed that but since more episodes are required, they are now up to 4, maybe more.

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    Episode felt weird compared to the others, things seemed to go faster and jump around more than before giving the episode a more disjointed feel or it's just because they have to dump a bunch of information in one episode. The characters also come of as odd, Miyuki bragging without a care about Tatsuyas Cast Jamming that's so awesome it can change the balance of the whole world if people find out about it and then get all uneasy about other people learning what he can do... overall she's getting more annoying as the show goes on.

    Don't really know much about the language but it feel like they have a pretty lame cover and that someone should at least suspect them to belong to one of the ten families. Anyway when they scrolled the name of those ten families each were numbered from one to ten. And just changing the four from yotsu to shi in their last name should at least garner one or two questions. Hmm considering the theme with four, that company Four Leaves Technology that made those guns Tatsuya uses probably belongs to Yotsuba, feels to much of a stress for it not to at this point.
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