Dragon Ball Super

**DarthEnderX** · Fri, 10-28-2016, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by MFauli

I´d say saiyajin don´t get stronger from being close to death. They get stronger from being beaten up severely and recovering from that. Because of his immortal body, Black can take severe beatings and instantly recover from it, thus granting him power-ups almost instantly.

You could say that if you want, but that doesn't mean you're right. The exact mechanics of how Saiyan Power works has never been fully explained by the series. So there's no way to know if you're right or not.

Originally Posted by deadlydreamx

But Black isn't immortal.

That's his point. Black didn't wish to be immortal because he wanted the Saiyan powerups instead. But if recovering is what actually grants the powerup, then he could have wished to be immortal, and gotten both. Since Immortal Zamasu still seems to take injuries, he just instantly recovers from them.

**MFauli** · Sat, 10-29-2016, 04:02 AM

But it doesn´t make sense for Black not to be immortal. If he isn´t, why is defeating him such a problem?

**ForteCross** · Sat, 10-29-2016, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by MFauli

But it doesn´t make sense for Black not to be immortal. If he isn´t, why is defeating him such a problem?

because he is essentially goku? he has his body, he has his strenghts and he has the combat training that zamasu did.

black is equally strong as goku when he killed him which is about present goku right now with zamasu's battle tactics

**NeoCybercoin** · Sat, 10-29-2016, 04:58 AM

Because he is, just like Zamasu, a prodigy at fighting and ki usage. Plus the fact that Zamasu tends to take the blows for him if it's possible. Only way to beat him is just to be that much more powerful. Though I suppose that's true for all DB villains.

But seriously, Goku is not a noob at controlling God Ki. The only way to get that is to have perfect control of your Ki. Goku has shown that he has an amazing control by also using Kaio-ken with it.

**UChessmaster** · Sun, 10-30-2016, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin

But seriously, Goku is not a noob at controlling God Ki. The only way to get that is to have perfect control of your Ki. Goku has shown that he has an amazing control by also using Kaio-ken with it.

He`s been practicing for months... Zamasu has been practicing for a long ass time AND is a prodigy at it. Compared to Zamasu, Goku is a noob at god ki.

Originally Posted by MFauli

Btw. do we all agree that Vegeta and Goku should be completely outclassed at the moment? Afaik fusion has exponential power growth, meaning that it´s on par with another transformation (like going from SSJ2 -> SSJ3).

Fusion is a bigger power up than that.

**DarthEnderX** · Mon, 10-31-2016, 09:35 AM

Man, I wish Super Saiyan Blue hadn't been a thing.

I wish it was just that Super Saiyan God made Goku's hair glow red, and made Vegeta's hair glow Blue. That way, when they fuse later one, their Super Saiyan God form coulda had purple hair.

Originally Posted by UChessmaster

He`s been practicing for months... Zamasu has been practicing for a long ass time AND is a prodigy at it.

Goku is a prodigy at everything related to fighting.

**UChessmaster** · Mon, 10-31-2016, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by DarthEnderX

Man, I wish Super Saiyan Blue hadn't been a thing.

I wish it was just that Super Saiyan God made Goku's hair glow red, and made Vegeta's hair glow Blue. That way, when they fuse later one, their Super Saiyan God form coulda had purple hair.

Goku is a prodigy at everything related to fighting.

My point still stands though, that Zamasu has way better handling at god ki.

**DarthEnderX** · Sat, 10-29-2016, 03:02 PM

Of course, Goku has gotten his ass kicked the last two times he fought Black, so he should be two Zenkai powerups past Black now.

**DarthEnderX** · Sun, 10-30-2016, 12:18 AM

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And now it's a moot point, because fusion Zamasu is both Immortal AND as strong as Goku and Zamasu combined.

And the Mafuba plan is in the toilet now as well.

Maybe I don't remember it, but did Goku's stupidity always ruin everyone's plans this often? I mean, that's twice now in this same arc that he just forgot straight up forgot to bring the important shit.

Anyway, that reality tear was interesting. I wonder if our next big bad will end up coming from there.

**MFauli** · Sun, 10-30-2016, 06:24 AM

This is so dumb. Honestly, I just dont get why everybody seems to be playing around instead of properly fighting. Nothing makes sense. Why didnt Vegeta use his most powerful moves to obliterate Black? Why didnt Black obliterate Vegeta and Goku when there were like 16 duplicates of identical power?

And Mafuba failing because they forgot the sealing paper is sooo frustrating. This is NOT the time when comedic relief makes it more fun to watch. Quite the opposite.

And just wait, DarthEnder, potara fusion will end up biting Zamasu in the ass because theyll pull some bullshit like "now he´s only half-immortal", whatever that means, lol. So fusioning actually made him defeatable.

**NeoCybercoin** · Sun, 10-30-2016, 06:33 AM

I am pretty sure that IS going to happen. After all...the body of normal Zamasu has been granted immortality. This new body? Not so much.

**DarthEnderX** · Sun, 10-30-2016, 10:21 AM

Ah, that could certainly be a thing. Though that's not really how Fusion works up till now(which is no way means it won't work that way now, because bad writing). Powers and abilities are additive, not averaged out.

If, say, Vegeta is great at driving cars and Goku is terrible at it, then Vegeto is great at driving cars, he doesn't end up mediocre at driving cars.

**MFauli** · Sun, 10-30-2016, 10:25 AM

Your logic is sound. I´m just not sure Dragon Ball´s logic is.

Btw. do we all agree that Vegeta and Goku should be completely outclassed at the moment? Afaik fusion has exponential power growth, meaning that it´s on par with another transformation (like going from SSJ2 -> SSJ3). So there NEEDS to be a fusion between Vegeta and Goku, or what else could be done?

Well, I guess Vegeta and Trunks could fusion, too, but that would be weird for their future sex life (lucky Vegeta, poor Trunks).

**NeoCybercoin** · Sun, 10-30-2016, 02:12 PM

I do think it's gonna be Trunks and Vegeta. I mean that's what happens in the new Dragon Ball Heroes trailer. So it IS a thing.

**ForteCross** · Sun, 10-30-2016, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by NeoCybercoin

I do think it's gonna be Trunks and Vegeta. I mean that's what happens in the new Dragon Ball Heroes trailer. So it IS a thing.

wait.... what?

seriusly i tried to find it and the closest i found was future gohan with future trunks with the name of gohanks...

ontopic, i laughed so hard when they forgot the seal! all the mafuba parts are just comic relief that for some reason is keeping the story moving forward...

now if the power ups are additive then maybe zamasu is right about being immortal, but what happened to the time ring that black was wearing? from what i understand the moment he takes the ring off he will be returned to his "original timeline" but because he was deleted by beeru then he will just dissapear and because both zamasu are merged they will have the same effect... maybe this will be the next plot device to actually stop him instead of just being "half immortal"

edit: just rewatched the last 3 mins of the episode, in the first screen when they show his hands he is not wearing the ring, in the next screen when they show his whole body he is wearing the ring and in the preview it looks like they are trying to hide if he has the ring or not (for example he has his hand fisted or just offscreen) what the heck....

**NeoCybercoin** · Mon, 10-31-2016, 01:02 AM

Super Dragon Ball Trailer

So yeah that is what I was referring to.

**MFauli** · Mon, 10-31-2016, 05:29 PM

At this point I wonder what Super Saiyan Rose actually is supposed to be. SSJ Blue is on par with it, as we know by now. I guess it´s just how SSJ Blue manifests itself when used by a god.

**DarthEnderX** · Tue, 11-01-2016, 05:52 AM

Anyone else really hoping the main cast picks up this technique Zamasu has of making ki weapons? Cause I think it's cool. And there's no reason it shouldn't be duplicatable.

It was already cool when he was just making a blade with his hand, but when he pulls out a full standalone scyth?

I want to see Future Trunks make a sword.

**ForteCross** · Tue, 11-01-2016, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by DarthEnderX

Anyone else really hoping the main cast picks up this technique Zamasu has of making ki weapons? Cause I think it's cool. And there's no reason it shouldn't be duplicatable.

It was already cool when he was just making a blade with his hand, but when he pulls out a full standalone scyth?

I want to see Future Trunks make a sword.

but the whole Z cast use martial arts instead of weapon, the only exception to the rule would be future trunks with his sword...

also the ki used to create the weapon was god ki so that might be a limitation... i would like to see trunks to enhance his sword more than create a new sword...

**DarthEnderX** · Tue, 11-01-2016, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by ForteCross

but the whole Z cast use martial arts instead of weapon

Weapons are martial arts...

Originally Posted by ForteCross

also the ki used to create the weapon was god ki so that might be a limitation...

Don't know why it would have to be god ki. It's just making specific shapes out of your ki. It's like a more advanced version of Krillin's Destructo Disc.

I'd also like to see Goku make a bo staff, since he doesn't use his Power Pole anymore...

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