Dragon Ball Super

[DarthEnderX]

Yes, the heroes will always win in shounen series.

Yes, but a lot of other shounen series still have stakes and consequences.

Dragon Ball doesn't, and hasn't for ages. And expecting it to now is just ridiculous.

And in Dragon Ball Super, there is no tension at all about that.

And I'm saying, there was no tension in the latter half of Dragon Ball Z either.

That´s literally what Boo did, after the fat Boo separated from the thin one.

Then why is everyone alive at the end?

Or right, because he DIDN'T kill everyone. And the ones he didn't kill, ended up beating him, then wishing everyone back to life.

[MFauli]

And I'm saying, there was no tension in the latter half of Dragon Ball Z either.

I´m sorry to say that it isnt up to you to tell me how I felt about it back then

Then why is everyone alive at the end?

Or right, because he DIDN'T kill everyone. And the ones he didn't kill, ended up beating him, then wishing everyone back to life.

The difference being: Back then Goku and everybody else were the underdogs. They were significantly outpowered by Boo, without any instant option to become stronger (only options that might put them equal, but even then they didn´t know how to deal with Boo´s regeneration). ALSO, back then it felt as if the earth´s Dragonballs were the only way to fix things. With all the god-stuff now it feels like you just have to find the right person and everything is fine again.

I will, however, point out that one big part of the fault of a lack of tension lies on Goku´s attitude. That goofball just doesn´t take ANYTHING seriously anymore. With either his fight against Beerus or Freezer, he only cared about the ongoing fight. It´s like saving the world is a distant after-thought to him. That´s what´s wrong. And very ironic: The heroes themselves have realized, just how we have, that it doesn´t really matter if somebody dies or not. There´s options for reviving, and even if not, there´s a nice, cozy afterworld.

This needs a fix. And tbh there IS one: When Vegeta returned to earth as part of his "one day" clause when he was dead, it was explained that somebody who dies during being dead, ceases to exist completely. That´s a truly terrifying thing! Make use of THAT. Somehow put everybody into a state where dying means being "gone" for real.
Of course, I wouldn´t be against them finding a way to ressurect even those victims, but it could be tied to another dramatic adventure.

[DarthEnderX]

I will, however, point out that one big part of the fault of a lack of tension lies on Goku´s attitude. That goofball just doesn´t take ANYTHING seriously anymore. With either his fight against Beerus or Freezer, he only cared about the ongoing fight. It´s like saving the world is a distant after-thought to him.

I'll agree with this. But I'm curious if it's not just the voice that's doing it for me.

I watched all of DBZ dubbed, and I'm watching this subbed, and I can't tell if maybe it's just Goku's goofy Japanese voice that makes it SEEM like he doesn't care, or if he really doesn't care.